Future Draft Games

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

The Random Five Years Draft sounded intriguing but I didn’t like some of the rules (hence why I didn’t join) so I made some tweaks for this other game. Here’s something I’m considering next game and I can run it too...

The Random Division Draft most likely Post Merger. All divisions will be chosen randomly and you need to select a player from that division chosen in that round. Once a division is used it will not be chosen/used again. The other two rounds are wildcard picks where you can use whenever for any player in divisions..the only restriction is one east and one west player and needs to specify when drafting. Also the draft order is going to be rotated for each round depending on how many participants there are so first pick participant will have (1,4,8,12,16,1,4,8 pick in the rounds). Not sure the exact format for the draft order which will be dependent on how many participants. I like the unpredictability, concept, and strategy factor.

Thoughts?

[Colbinii]

The Random Five Years Draft sounded intriguing but I didn’t like some of the rules (hence why I didn’t join) so I made some tweaks for this other game. Here’s something I’m considering next game and I can run it too...

The Random Division Draft most likely Post Merger. All divisions will be chosen randomly and you need to select a player from that division chosen in that round. Once a division is used it will not be chosen/used again. The other two rounds are wildcard picks where you can use whenever for any player in divisions..the only restriction is one east and one west player and needs to specify when drafting. Also the draft order is going to be rotated for each round depending on how many participants there are so first pick participant will have (1,4,8,12,16,1,4,8 pick in the rounds). Not sure the exact format for the draft order which will be dependent on how many participants. I like the unpredictability, concept, and strategy factor.

Thoughts?

I dont think random divisions add a lot of randomness. Perhaps you could do random divisions without a guarantee that every division will be chosen?

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[8on]

how about:

Random Franchises
Random Percentages
Random Five Years (no overlap)
Random Ten Years (no overlap)
Random Conference By Season (i.e. 2017 Eastern Conference)
Random State (i.e. any Texas team)
Random Award (we could put them into a list and do the first eight as generated)
Random Teammate (each player chosen in a round must have played with the same player. not sure how one would generate that)
Random Draft Year
Random Season (1989-90 to now)

[Laimbeer]

The Random Five Years Draft sounded intriguing but I didn’t like some of the rules (hence why I didn’t join) so I made some tweaks for this other game. Here’s something I’m considering next game and I can run it too...

The Random Division Draft most likely Post Merger. All divisions will be chosen randomly and you need to select a player from that division chosen in that round. Once a division is used it will not be chosen/used again. The other two rounds are wildcard picks where you can use whenever for any player in divisions..the only restriction is one east and one west player and needs to specify when drafting. Also the draft order is going to be rotated for each round depending on how many participants there are so first pick participant will have (1,4,8,12,16,1,4,8 pick in the rounds). Not sure the exact format for the draft order which will be dependent on how many participants. I like the unpredictability, concept, and strategy factor.

Thoughts?

I dont think random divisions add a lot of randomness. Perhaps you could do random divisions without a guarantee that every division will be chosen?

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app

How about random teams? Maybe three of four teams for each round, not to be repeated.

Also, how about a one MVP limit? I think it would really help the folks in the middle and cause some tough decisions.

[Fadeaway_J]

The Random Five Years Draft sounded intriguing but I didn’t like some of the rules (hence why I didn’t join) so I made some tweaks for this other game. Here’s something I’m considering next game and I can run it too...

The Random Division Draft most likely Post Merger. All divisions will be chosen randomly and you need to select a player from that division chosen in that round. Once a division is used it will not be chosen/used again. The other two rounds are wildcard picks where you can use whenever for any player in divisions..the only restriction is one east and one west player and needs to specify when drafting. Also the draft order is going to be rotated for each round depending on how many participants there are so first pick participant will have (1,4,8,12,16,1,4,8 pick in the rounds). Not sure the exact format for the draft order which will be dependent on how many participants. I like the unpredictability, concept, and strategy factor.

Thoughts?

I dont think random divisions add a lot of randomness. Perhaps you could do random divisions without a guarantee that every division will be chosen?

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app

How about random teams? Maybe three of four teams for each round, not to be repeated.

Also, how about a one MVP limit? I think it would really help the folks in the middle and cause some tough decisions.

I'd like to see this paired with some kind of limitation as to how much star power you can put around your MVP. That was the thinking behind the game I proposed earlier with a limit on ASG appearances.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

I dont think random divisions add a lot of randomness. Perhaps you could do random divisions without a guarantee that every division will be chosen?

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app

How about random teams? Maybe three of four teams for each round, not to be repeated.

Also, how about a one MVP limit? I think it would really help the folks in the middle and cause some tough decisions.

I'd like to see this paired with some kind of limitation as to how much star power you can put around your MVP. That was the thinking behind the game I proposed earlier with a limit on ASG appearances.

Colbinii-I just dont want one of the weaker divisions like southeast and southwest to be chosen as repeats which could be possible and there won’t be a lot of depth with repeats and would rather spread out the talent...

Laimbeer-Great idea as usual..always coming up big! I like the team idea too maybe even more than division.4 teams in each round random and none can be used twice besides the last round where two teams will be used again out of the four since we have 30 teams total.

Fade/Laimbeer-yeah MVP idea could work but something about the draft order still irks me. What about this? Props to Tony Snell for the idea. Pick for each Round 1-4 (repeat 5-8)

1st participant-1,16,10,7
2nd participant-2,15,11,6
3rd participant-3,14,12,5
4th participant-4,13,13, 4
5th participant-5,12,14,3
6th participant-6,11,15,2
7th participant-7,10,16,1
8th participant-8,9,1,16
9th participant-9,8,2,15
10th participant-10,7,3,14
11th participant-11,6,4,13
12th participant-12,5,5,12
13th participant-13,4,6,11
14th participant-14,3,7,10
15th participant-15,2,8,9
16th participant -16,1,9,8

Round 1-(1-16)
Round 2-(16-1)
Round 3-

8th participant-1st pick
9th-2nd pick
10-3rd pick
11-4th pick
12-5th pick
13-6th pick
14-7th pick
15-8th pick
16-9th pick
1-10th pick
2-11th pick
3-12th pick
4-13th pick
5-14th pick
6-15th pick
7-16th pick

Round 4-

7th participant-1st pick
6-2nd pick
5-3rd pick
4-4th pick
3-5th pick
2-6th pick
1-7th pick
16-8th pick
15-9th pick
14-10th pick
13-11th pick
12-12th pick
11-13th pick
10-14th pick
9-15th pick
8-16th pick

I'll have sign ups tomorrow for Random Team Drafts (Post Merger most likely depending on participants). 4 random teams chosen each round, no duplicate teams chosen until last round where two teams will be chosen again with two teams remaining, No MVP Restrictions with the draft order proposed above. No skip picks when on...new teams won't be posted until everyone has made a pick in their round unless however, if still not selected in end of round due to extenuating circumstances, tbd what will happen if we move on or not or have some sort of punishment. we are all experienced players for the most part who could send a list or whatnot. Would love to see final thoughts before posting. Thanks.

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Thoughts?

[Dr Positivity]

I'm having a hard time following those rules. I think a similar game with one MVP per team does enough to change the draft order issues and is easier to understand

Also would it be possible to wait a few days before the next sign up? With the delay in the Declining % game there's already going to be 2 games going on at once

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

I'm having a hard time following those rules. I think a similar game with one MVP per team does enough to change the draft order issues and is easier to understand

Also would it be possible to wait a few days before the next sign up? With the delay in the Declining % game there's already going to be 2 games going on at once

I tried to break it down so that participants in the middle of the order get a high or low pick in the third/4th round. BUT if others want one MVP per team, that's fine.if so going that route, do you prefer a snake draft like recent game or the usual draft order ABBA etc.

Hmm just going to have sign-ups open since sometimes it takes a while to get people (okay not with me haha, but usually) and I probably won't start the clock till the weekend. Not sure what's going on with the declining game, but I think the other game is just straight up rankings so not much going on with match-ups/etc. Plus I'm itching to play.

[Tony Snell]

The adjusted draft order would look like this in a more linear format (only 1st four rounds shown below). This would allow every player a top 3 pick at some point in the game which evens out the draft order more than the straight snake. We could also add the one MVP restriction which would further help mitigate the advantages associated with picking first in a round.

Round 1
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12

Round 2
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1

Round 3
6
5
4
3
2
1
12
11
10
9
8
7

Round 4
7
8
9
10
11
12
1
2
3
4
5
6

I know we have two playoffs running, but I don't mind getting a signup out there. We don't have to start the game right away, but getting a signup out there for a couple days while we wrap up the current two games may give us more time to get a bigger crew.

[Fadeaway_J]

Is an adjustment to the draft order really necessary if there's a one MVP rule?

[8on]

In future games, I think an exception would help with some of the tougher rounds. I think the one MVP rule helps, too.

As you can tell from this game, not every superstar is going to go with the first or last pick. LeBron James was the fourth pick in the 6th round. The top and bottom will have an advantage, but that's usually the case. If we limit the number of MVPs and make it so that the middle teams can use an exception if they need to, there should be plenty of balance.

The rotating draft order was too complicated for me to follow or remember. That's why I was against it initially.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

Is an adjustment to the draft order really necessary if there's a one MVP rule?

I think so personally since there isn’t much difference in getting a MVP with the exception of a couple with most in a similar tier. With one MVP restriction, I still feel like the middle will be at a disadvantage especially in second and third tier stars.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

The adjusted draft order would look like this in a more linear format (only 1st four rounds shown below). This would allow every player a top 3 pick at some point in the game which evens out the draft order more than the straight snake. We could also add the one MVP restriction which would further help mitigate the advantages associated with picking first in a round.

Round 1
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12

Round 2
12
11
10
9
8
7
6
5
4
3
2
1

Round 3
6
5
4
3
2
1
12
11
10
9
8
7

Round 4
7
8
9
10
11
12
1
2
3
4
5
6

I know we have two playoffs running, but I don't mind getting a signup out there. We don't have to start the game right away, but getting a signup out there for a couple days while we wrap up the current two games may give us more time to get a bigger crew.

Our round 3 and 4 are flipped but not sure if it makes any difference? I’m leaning towards this idea though and possibly including MVP restriction too.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

In future games, I think an exception would help with some of the tougher rounds. I think the one MVP rule helps, too.

As you can tell from this game, not every superstar is going to go with the first or last pick. LeBron James was the fourth pick in the 6th round. The top and bottom will have an advantage, but that's usually the case. If we limit the number of MVPs and make it so that the middle teams can use an exception if they need to, there should be plenty of balance.

The rotating draft order was too complicated for me to follow or remember. That's why I was against it initially.

What do you have in mind when you say middle can use an exception if they need to?

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

Will have sign ups thread created tonight. Looking at a tweak draft order as above and MVP restriction. Random Franchises post merger to now.

Final thoughts?

[Fadeaway_J]

I hope we're not going to overcorrect in terms of trying to address possible imbalances in the draft order. These are random franchises and nobody can pick multiple MVPs, and that's the only type of advantage that really moves the needle at this level. A handful of people have more opportunity to get someone like MJ or LeBron - which is exactly what happens in a normal draft. We don't need exceptions or draft order adjustments IMO.

[ChicagoSportsFan21]

I hope we're not going to overcorrect in terms of trying to address possible imbalances in the draft order. These are random franchises and nobody can pick multiple MVPs, and that's the only type of advantage that really moves the needle at this level. A handful of people have more opportunity to get someone like MJ or LeBron - which is exactly what happens in a normal draft. We don't need exceptions or draft order adjustments IMO.

Maybe I’m overthinking this too haha. Im open to going with the majority here. Would like others opinion too.

[Tony Snell]

I hope we're not going to overcorrect in terms of trying to address possible imbalances in the draft order. These are random franchises and nobody can pick multiple MVPs, and that's the only type of advantage that really moves the needle at this level. A handful of people have more opportunity to get someone like MJ or LeBron - which is exactly what happens in a normal draft. We don't need exceptions or draft order adjustments IMO.

Maybe I’m overthinking this too haha. Im open to going with the majority here. Would like others opinion too.

I think that the situation could arise where whoever goes first gets first access to LBJ/MJ and then gets first access to Kawhi/Wade/etc in a future pool. Even with the one MVP restriction, I am still scared that the guys on either end of the order may have 1st access to the best MVPs, the best 1st teamers, the best bench players, etc.

[8on]

In future games, I think an exception would help with some of the tougher rounds. I think the one MVP rule helps, too.

As you can tell from this game, not every superstar is going to go with the first or last pick. LeBron James was the fourth pick in the 6th round. The top and bottom will have an advantage, but that's usually the case. If we limit the number of MVPs and make it so that the middle teams can use an exception if they need to, there should be plenty of balance.

The rotating draft order was too complicated for me to follow or remember. That's why I was against it initially.

What do you have in mind when you say middle can use an exception if they need to?

I meant that I’d rather have an exception (for everyone) than change the draft order. If the middle is still at a disadvantage, they could use their exception early. I’d rather have that than have the most confusing draft order in the history of these games. We’re almost certainly going to misread it.

[Fadeaway_J]

I hope we're not going to overcorrect in terms of trying to address possible imbalances in the draft order. These are random franchises and nobody can pick multiple MVPs, and that's the only type of advantage that really moves the needle at this level. A handful of people have more opportunity to get someone like MJ or LeBron - which is exactly what happens in a normal draft. We don't need exceptions or draft order adjustments IMO.

Maybe I’m overthinking this too haha. Im open to going with the majority here. Would like others opinion too.

I think that the situation could arise where whoever goes first gets first access to LBJ/MJ and then gets first access to Kawhi/Wade/etc in a future pool. Even with the one MVP restriction, I am still scared that the guys on either end of the order may have 1st access to the best MVPs, the best 1st teamers, the best bench players, etc.

I don't know, I guess I'm not that worried if this is a post-merger game. Even in this doomsday scenario (which could easily be derailed depending on what franchises pop up when), who are the "worst" MVPs we're talking about? Dirk? KD? Walton? It just doesn't seem worth the hassle to me. Maybe you'll turn out to be correct, but that's the "random" aspect of the draft.