All NBA Reject Draft Discussion Thread

Post #1 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:29 pm

Rules:

1) Standard ATL format, but only players who have never made an All NBA (or ABA) First Team in their careers are eligible to be drafted. All seasons including this past one are available.

2) ABAB draft order.

Teams: Bare minimum: 8. Prefer 12. If interest is greater may be willing to move up from that.

In the past, attempts have been made to "tweak" the standard ATL model, and for one simple reason: there is the tendency for similar cores and combinations of players to win every single time.

A number of other games have been made to get around this problem this, including era stipulation games and a game that eliminated the 9 best players of all time. Though all of those were very successful, it never really feels like they went far enough. This game represents an attempt to allow people to create completely novel teams.

Thus, I propose an ATL in which only players who NEVER made an All NBA FIRST team in their careers are available. It will place the emphasis on balance and team construction and away from star power. There are no "obvious" top picks that entail a particular advantage. Every player in this draft has their own limitations, and as a result I feel that a standard snake (ABAB) draft order is appropriate.

Signups:

1) Snakebites
2) Keeslinator
3) TMACFORMVP
4) lukekarts
5) poodamoop
6) BlackIce
7) sterncohen
8) Riotpunch
9) SamBone
10) Miller
11) 5th pick sucks
12) Cellardoor

-Kees- · Post #2 » by **-Kees-** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:30 pm

I'm in.

So this is an all-time draft, but no one can be on a All-NBA 1st team?

Post #3 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:32 pm

Keeslinator wrote:I'm in.

So this is an all-time draft, but no one can be on a All-NBA 1st team?

Correct.

No player who has ever been named to an All NBA or ABA first team may be drafted.

Post #4 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:33 pm

Finally a draft where Chuck Hayes being drafted isn't a joke pick.

-Kees- · Post #5 » by **-Kees-** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:34 pm

This should be fun

Tmac, you in?

Blazer50 · Post #6 » by **Blazer50** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:54 pm

Blazer50 - I would like to try this game - too many rosters / games dominated by super stars and not balanced.
scott.ins
scott.ins@aol.com

SNAKEBITE: THIS GAME WILL REQUIRE TOO MUCH RESEARCH AND I WON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DEVOTE TO THE DRAFT - ETC. I BETTER NOT GET IN THIS TIME AROUND - SORRY. I WILL BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THIS GOES FOR FUTURE GAMES. PLEASE WITHDRAW MY NAME - BLAZER50 - THANKS

poopdamoop · Post #7 » by **poopdamoop** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:04 pm

Seems interesting, I'm in.

dudeguyboy@hotmail.com

BlackIce · Post #8 » by **BlackIce** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:06 pm

I'm in, looks solid.

Post #9 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:10 pm

Blazer50 wrote:Blazer50 - I would like to try this game - too many rosters / games dominated by super stars and not balanced.
scott.ins
scott.ins@aol.com

Let me know if we designate teams or what all is involved if you get the response you need.

Not sure what you mean by "designate teams".

Draft positions are randomly determined and everyone builds a team from scratch in a 10 round draft.

sterncohen · Post #10 » by **sterncohen** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:51 pm

I'm in.

sterncohen@gmail.com

RiotPunch · Post #11 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:39 am

I guess I'm in as well. I also dug up every player that has been an all-league 1st teamer dating back to 1955, just to have a visual for what players are not available. If I am missing anyone please feel free to add to the list.

1955-2011 Off-Limits
Bob Pettit
Paul Arizin
Neil Johnston
Bob Cousy
Bill Sharman
Dolph Schayes
George Yardley
Elgin Baylor
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
George Mikan
Gene Shue
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Jerry Lucas
Rick Barry
Dave Bing
Billy Cunningham
Wes Unseld
Earl Monroe
Connie Hawkins
Willis Reed
Walt Frazier
John Havlicek
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Spencer Haywood
Nate Archibald
Gail Goodrich
Elvin Hayes
Bob McAdoo
George McGinnis
Pete Maravich
David Thompson
Paul Westphal
Truck Robinson
Julius Erving
Bill Walton
George Gervin
Marques Johnson
Moses Malone
Larry Bird
Dennis Johnson
Gus Williams
Sidney Moncrief
Bernard King
Isiah Thomas
Dominique Wilkins
Kevin McHale
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Akeem Olajuwon
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Patrick Ewing
David Robinson
Chris Mullin
Clyde Drexler
Mark Price
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Latrell Sprewell
Penny Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Gary Payton
Alonzo Mourning
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Kevin Garnett
Chris Webber
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Steve Nash
LeBron James
Amare Stoudemire
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose

sterncohen · Post #12 » by **sterncohen** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:42 am

This page has an alphabetical listing as well:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awa ... layer.html

Post #13 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:51 am

RiotPunch wrote:I guess I'm in as well. I also dug up every player that has been an all-league 1st teamer dating back to 1955, just to have a visual for what players are not available. If I am missing anyone please feel free to add to the list.

1955-2011 Off-Limits
Bob Pettit
Paul Arizin
Neil Johnston
Bob Cousy
Bill Sharman
Dolph Schayes
George Yardley
Elgin Baylor
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
George Mikan
Gene Shue
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Jerry Lucas
Rick Barry
Dave Bing
Billy Cunningham
Wes Unseld
Earl Monroe
Connie Hawkins
Willis Reed
Walt Frazier
John Havlicek
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Spencer Haywood
Nate Archibald
Gail Goodrich
Elvin Hayes
Bob McAdoo
George McGinnis
Pete Maravich
David Thompson
Paul Westphal
Truck Robinson
Julius Erving
Bill Walton
George Gervin
Marques Johnson
Moses Malone
Larry Bird
Dennis Johnson
Gus Williams
Sidney Moncrief
Bernard King
Isiah Thomas
Dominique Wilkins
Kevin McHale
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Akeem Olajuwon
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Patrick Ewing
David Robinson
Chris Mullin
Clyde Drexler
Mark Price
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Latrell Sprewell
Penny Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Gary Payton
Alonzo Mourning
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Kevin Garnett
Chris Webber
Tracy McGrady
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Steve Nash
LeBron James
Amare Stoudemire
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose

You're awesome.

BlackIce · Post #14 » by **BlackIce** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:58 am

I second that.

RiotPunch · Post #15 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:06 am

Boredom can lead you to do mysterious things. 'Twas no problem.

5th pick sucks · Post #16 » by **5th pick sucks** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:06 am

I'll join

Kingsfan101@live.com What are we using for salary?

Post #17 » by **CellarDoor** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:21 am

Post #18 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:39 am

Me in.

Post #19 » by **Snakebites** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:48 am

5th pick sucks wrote:I'll join

Kingsfan101@live.com What are we using for salary?

There is no salary, this isn't that type of game.

You build a team using your draft picks and compete against other teams in a tournament format. There are no trades.

Let me know whether or not that is something that you want to play in.

We now have 12 tentative signups. I'd be receptive to pushing it to 16 if we can gain 4 more people. Very pleased to see the level of interest in this game. We'll have to play it by ear to see whether or not we can get 4 more people in.

5th pick sucks · Post #20 » by **5th pick sucks** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:59 am

Oh alright. Makes sense. Thanks!