Eastern Conference Finals - poopdamoop* vs. Jory04

[Fadeaway_J]

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on roster page).

**First to 4 votes advances**

[poopdamoop]

2013 LeBron James - 27/8/7/2, 41% 3PT, 11.6 BPM, MVP, All-NBA 1st, All-D 1st
2001 Vince Carter - 28/6/4/2, 41% 3PT, 7.0 BPM, All-NBA 2nd
1994 Reggie Miller - 20/3/3/2, 42% 3PT, 4.1 BPM, All-NBA 3rd
1989 Larry Nance - 18/8/3/3, 5.8 BPM, All-D 1st
2006 Jason Kidd - 13/8/7/2, 35% 3PT, 5.5 BPM, All-D 1st
2012 Tyson Chandler - 11/10/1, 71% TS, 4.8 BPM, DPOY, All-NBA 3rd, All-D 2nd
1982 Tree Rollins - 6/8/3, 3.1 BPM
2014 Pablo Prigioni - 4/4/2/1, 46% 3PT, 0.6 BPM

Kidd(38) / Prigioni(10)
Miller(36) / Carter(12)
Carter(26) / James(22)
James(18) / Nance(30)
Chandler(26) / Rollins(18) / Nance(4)

Good luck Jory

We're going back to our original starting lineup here, with LBJ as the starting 4. Webber is a talented big, but he doesn't have that much size on LeBron, so we're not worried about him defensively here. I'm not sure if Webber will be guarding LBJ here, but he's in for a world of hurt if he does, and switching him onto Carter isn't much better. We'll play on Gilmore's lack of speed and put him in plenty of PnRs to force switches, while also using Kidd in the post to facilitate against the much smaller Mark Price. If MJ guards Reggie, we'll run him through plenty of screens to tire him out, and Carter should do well against an older version of Pierce as well. Nance will come in to give us some energy, shotblocking, and another release valve offensively.

On defense, we'll have Kidd as the primary defender on MJ. The players that have guarded MJ best have always been tough, smaller guards (Dumars, Payton, etc) and Kidd fits that physical description very well. We've seen Kidd do extremely well guarding bigger players (LeBron in 2011), and this version of Kidd has enough speed to keep up with MJ on the perimeter and the size to battle him in the post. Miller will take Price, who won't have too many chances to hurt us beyond kickouts, and the rest of Jory's lineup will be standard matchups.

[Jory04]

90/91 Michael Jordan 32/6/6/3 MVP, 1st All-Nba, 1st All-D, 20.3 WS, 31.6 PER, 10.8 BPM, 9.8 VORP 22.4 FGA
07/08 Paul Pierce 20/5/5 3rd All-Nba, All-Star, 12.4 WS, 19.6 PER, 4.7 BPM, 4.9 VORP 13.7 FGA
88/89 Mark Price 19/3/8/2 3rd All-Nba, All-STar, 11.3 WS, 20.6 PER, 3.5 BPM, 3.8 VORP 13.4 FGA
81/82 Artis Gilmore 19/10/2/3 All-Star, 12.1 WS, 22.4 PER, 1st TS% .702, 4.5 BPM, 4.6 VORP 10.2 FGA
96/97 Chris Webber 20/10/5/2/2 All-Star, 9.3 WS, 5.0 DWS, 21.8 PER, .397 3pt%, 6.6 BPM, 6.1 VORP 16.2 FGA
95/96 Steve Kerr 8/1/2 .515 3pt%, 8.3 WS, 6.0 OWS, .208 WS/48, Led league in TO% 5.9 FGA
10/11 Kurt Thomas 4/6/1 2.6 DWS, 4.0 DBPM, 98 D-Rating 3.6 FGA
14/15 Kent Bazemore 5/3/1 3.8 DWS, 94 D-Rating, 4.4 FGA

89.8/90 FGA

HALFTIME ADJUSTMENT


PG: Price (38) / Kerr (10)
SG: Bazemore (10) / MJ (30) Kerr (8)
SF: MJ (18) / Pierce (20) / Bazemore (10)
PF: Pierce (18) / Webber (22) / Thomas (8)
C: Webber (18) / Gilmore (30)

Team Concept:

We surround the greatest player of all time with excellent long to mid range shooters, and let him clock in and do work. Price has shown in these games to be the perfect off ball point guard to compliment MJ, as well as having Pierce being an excellent Robin when needed. Webber will form a deadly pick and roll combination with MJ, and his passing out of the high post will allow a cutting Jordan, or any back door cutters to the bucket easy baskets.

Defense:

We have Price on Kidd, Bazemore on Miller, Jordan on Carter, Pierce on LeBron, and Webber on Chandler. We have for very good defenders, and we get to hide our one poor defender. We are essentially playing 5 on three on the defensive end as Chandler is a non-existent offensive threat, and any real offensive value this version of Kidd brings is mitigated by LeBron needing the ball in his hand. Bazemore is a more than capable enough defender to cover a catch and shoot only Miller, so that is not a huge concern for us. We have one of the best perimeter defenders in history to guard Carter, Jordan should really stymie his game. Pierce will follow LeBron around, and is a high quality option in the chosen year. Webber is hyper athletic at this point and can provide excellent rim protection with his length and leaping ability.

Offensively:

Kidd is a good defender, but we dont see him slowing down Jordan enough to really effect our team. Price stretches the floor, and Pierce should have a great series against a poor defender in Carter. When he has LeBron in at the four we will pound it at him with Webber, who has the size and strength to make him exert max energy and hopefully sap him for the offensive end. Gilmore is a high percentage option down low, and along with the rest of the team we should hold a good rebounding advantage.

TLDR:

Jordan never lost a finals series once he got one other all-star, and we don't think he will start here with four other all-stars going against LeBron and three other all-stars
. Vote Jory04 if you agree.

[Fadeaway_J]

It almost feels like a cheat code having LeBron at PF with two dynamic wings alongside him. Given that even the most athletic 2/3 defenders have trouble with him, I just can't see any natural 4 standing a chance, whereas LeBron is capable of credibly guarding most of them at the other end. Guarding MJ is obviously a similar challenge but Kidd is at least an elite defender who won't be taken un an unfamiliar type of assignment like C-Webb (although I think Reggie will struggle against Price).

Don't agree at all with the idea that Kidd and Chandler are non-factors on offense - that notion is especially preposterous in the case of Kidd, and Chandler although limited offers unique gravity as a roll man.

Between the LeBron matchup and the superior lineup versatility of poop's roster (mainly due to Nance as a bench piece), I don't think MJ's All-Star starting 5 will be quite enough in this one.

Vote: poopdamoop

[Jory04]

Don't agree at all with the idea that Kidd and Chandler are non-factors on offense - that notion is especially preposterous in the case of Kidd
Vote: poopdamoop

So you're telling me you feel like 13 point a game, poor shooting Kidd is impactful offensively without the ball in his hand?

[Fadeaway_J]

Don't agree at all with the idea that Kidd and Chandler are non-factors on offense - that notion is especially preposterous in the case of Kidd
Vote: poopdamoop

So you're telling me you feel like 13 point a game, poor shooting Kidd is impactful offensively without the ball in his hand?

LeBron isn't going to have the ball 100% of the time, so yeah, I think one of the greatest playmakers of all time might have some value on offense.

[wackbone]

In an otherwise tight series, I like the versatility around LeBron moreso than that found around MJ.

Vote: poop


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[damecurry]

Don't agree at all with the idea that Kidd and Chandler are non-factors on offense - that notion is especially preposterous in the case of Kidd
Vote: poopdamoop

So you're telling me you feel like 13 point a game, poor shooting Kidd is impactful offensively without the ball in his hand?

Dude youre crazy. Kidd was a great cutter, a high iq player who made things happen and at this point already a pretty solid shooter, hes not a great scorer obviously but you cant "hide" a poor defender on him, thats silly.

[damecurry]

I know this subjective but I think its telling that poops small ball lineup looks like it was planned this way and Jorys looks like a forced response. So i like poops fit and structure a little more overall here and if anything i see talent edge in his favor too so:

Vote: Poopdamoop

[Jory04]

Don't agree at all with the idea that Kidd and Chandler are non-factors on offense - that notion is especially preposterous in the case of Kidd
Vote: poopdamoop

So you're telling me you feel like 13 point a game, poor shooting Kidd is impactful offensively without the ball in his hand?

Dude youre crazy. Kidd was a great cutter, a high iq player who made things happen and at this point already a pretty solid shooter, hes not a great scorer obviously but you cant "hide" a poor defender on him, thats silly.

I obviously have a different point of view, 13 points a game to me is not good scorer which was my point, and 40% shooting in my mind is not solid shooting. My contention was that he needs the ball in his hands to be effective as does LeBron and Vince Carter, thus they cancel out each other's best attributes.

[Fadeaway_J]

Wait, am I hallucinating? I could have sworn C-Webb was guarding LeBron when I initially voted.

[Jory04]

Wait, am I hallucinating? I could have sworn C-Webb was guarding LeBron when I initially voted.

Making those adjustments like Popovich.

[poopdamoop]

I get the adjustments, but MJ playing 48 minutes and Bazemore starting present a couple other t issues that we can take advantage of

[Jory04]

I get the adjustments, but MJ playing 48 minutes and Bazemore starting present a couple other t issues that we can take advantage of

Yeah that was supposed to be 20, in more like Isiah Thomas instead of Greg Popovich.

[Fadeaway_J]

3-0 poop.

[Tony Snell]

MJ playing 48 is bold. That is asking quite a lot of him. I'd argue that Kidd holds a ton of offensive value. There is more to offense than getting buckets. Overall, the fit around LeBron feels tighter.

Vote: poop

[ardee]

Yeah I would have voted poop. That roster is just built for LeBron, Kidd-Miller might be the ideal back-court if you have him, and Carter is on par with 2011 Wade.

LBJ takes the GOAT crown.

[Fadeaway_J]

Poop advances to the Finals.

[Jory04]

Nice job poop, no amount of lobbying and lineup switching was going to overcome that deficit.