16 and Under (2000 and forward)- Discussion : Semis in process

[Dr Positivity]

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[Tony Snell]

Wouldn't mind doing this format again at some point, maybe in a different or expanded era.

How about a game opposite of this where all bench players must have FGA under 3

I actually have had fun with this restriction and would play again with different eras.

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[Laimbeer]

Wouldn't mind doing this format again at some point, maybe in a different or expanded era.

How about a game opposite of this where all bench players must have FGA under 3

I actually have had fun with this restriction and would play again with different eras.

The Snell Draft. I like it. Dr P may get a migraine.

[Fadeaway_J]

Wouldn't mind doing this format again at some point, maybe in a different or expanded era.

How about a game opposite of this where all bench players must have FGA under 3

I actually have had fun with this restriction and would play again with different eras.

The problem with different eras is, every time we do a game with tighter FGA restrictions, Magic wins. Seriously - every single time. Dr P actually had to ban him from the 65 FGA game or he would have won that too. You just can't make up the advantage of getting an MVP-level perimeter player in that kind of draft. The next best guy is probably 2016 Kawhi and he's a couple of levels below Magic.

[Laimbeer]

Wouldn't mind doing this format again at some point, maybe in a different or expanded era.

How about a game opposite of this where all bench players must have FGA under 3

I actually have had fun with this restriction and would play again with different eras.

The problem with different eras is, every time we do a game with tighter FGA restrictions, Magic wins. Seriously - every single time. Dr P actually had to ban him from the 65 FGA game or he would have won that too. You just can't make up the advantage of getting an MVP-level perimeter player in that kind of draft. The next best guy is probably 2016 Kawhi and he's a couple of levels below Magic.

I wouldn't hesitate to ban Magic. Not after the FGA Span game.

[Dr Positivity]

You could just go 92 on as well

For the low bench idea, not crazy about the idea but I think 5 and under for your three lowest players would be better. At least there would be some strategy of taking players like Rodman and Iguodala high to avoid the full scrub bench.

[Jon_3232]

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[Jon_3232]

Damn, was hoping Love would fall to me.

[Tony Snell]

You could just go 92 on as well

For the low bench idea, not crazy about the idea but I think 5 and under for your three lowest players would be better. At least there would be some strategy of taking players like Rodman and Iguodala high to avoid the full scrub bench.

I was mostly joking about the anti bench game lol.

[Snakebites]

This game might have benefited from reducing the FGA limit by like 5 or so.

[euroleague]

How about a game opposite of this where all bench players must have FGA under 3

I actually have had fun with this restriction and would play again with different eras.

The problem with different eras is, every time we do a game with tighter FGA restrictions, Magic wins. Seriously - every single time. Dr P actually had to ban him from the 65 FGA game or he would have won that too. You just can't make up the advantage of getting an MVP-level perimeter player in that kind of draft. The next best guy is probably 2016 Kawhi and he's a couple of levels below Magic.

I wouldn't hesitate to ban Magic. Not after the FGA Span game.

Well, there were other problems in that game than Magic. Hakeem dropping to the 24th pick? Whoever takes him gets an obvious talent advantage. KG/Hakeem? Duncan/Hakeem? Those teams would be difficult for that pool.

If it were me, I would've gone: KG/Hakeem/Paul George/Terry Porter for my first 4, then added a 3D player like Battier if I could.

[Laimbeer]

I'm fairly surprised at one of the players left, but maybe someone isn't done with their starters.

[Snakebites]

It's funny, I refused to go big at all in my first 2 picks and my biggest regret is still going in on bigs too early.

[Fadeaway_J]

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[Dr Positivity]

If it were me, I would've gone: KG/Hakeem/Paul George/Terry Porter for my first 4, then added a 3D player like Battier if I could.

I think Celtics KG and Hakeem is beatable, and would've been equal or worse to Kobe/Duncan, Wade/Dirk or Durant/Malone because of fit. To go Wolves KG/Hakeem you would have lost your George slot.

[euroleague]

If it were me, I would've gone: KG/Hakeem/Paul George/Terry Porter for my first 4, then added a 3D player like Battier if I could.

I think Celtics KG and Hakeem is beatable, and would've been equal or worse to Kobe/Duncan, Wade/Dirk or Durant/Malone because of fit. To go Wolves KG/Hakeem you would have lost your George slot.

KG/Hakeem/PG13 would be better because of 2 way dominance and lack of stacked frontcourts that could counter that. KG isn't as good as Kobe, but Hakeem is better than off-peak Duncan by a fair amount and the defense is just absurd.

You also voted Duncan/Kobe over Magic/Hakeem, so it seems useless to argue

[Fadeaway_J]

The problem with different eras is, every time we do a game with tighter FGA restrictions, Magic wins. Seriously - every single time. Dr P actually had to ban him from the 65 FGA game or he would have won that too. You just can't make up the advantage of getting an MVP-level perimeter player in that kind of draft. The next best guy is probably 2016 Kawhi and he's a couple of levels below Magic.

I wouldn't hesitate to ban Magic. Not after the FGA Span game.

Well, there were other problems in that game than Magic. Hakeem dropping to the 24th pick? Whoever takes him gets an obvious talent advantage. KG/Hakeem? Duncan/Hakeem? Those teams would be difficult for that pool.

If it were me, I would've gone: KG/Hakeem/Paul George/Terry Porter for my first 4, then added a 3D player like Battier if I could.

Honestly, I didn't even remember the spans game when I made that comment. I was just looking back at the other games with extra FGA restrictions (80 FGA, 75 FGA 70s to now, 75 FGA 90s to now) and Magic teams won all of them.

Even in the spans game, while I agree that Hakeem dropping was the main issue, the difference between the other possibilities and Magic/Hakeem is the element of having an GOAT-level perimeter player mixed in. Big men are generally cheaper, so even if you don't get a Duncan/Hakeem or KG/Hakeem level pairing, you can still get two MVP types fairly easily. In that game we had Giannis/D-Rob, Dwight/Chuck, and Dirk/Zo - not at the same level, but close enough that you can conceivably make up the talent gap elsewhere. Also, it's generally easier to counter great big men schematically than it is to counter great perimeter players with size.

There's no perimeter player in the same galaxy as Magic that you could get for fewer than 16.5 FGA, let alone at the 10.5-12.4 range. It's a ridiculous advantage when FGAs are tightened up. Your best hope is to have a loaded perimeter that can exploit him defensively, but guess what? You can't do that without shelling out a lot of FGAs.

[euroleague]

I wouldn't hesitate to ban Magic. Not after the FGA Span game.

Well, there were other problems in that game than Magic. Hakeem dropping to the 24th pick? Whoever takes him gets an obvious talent advantage. KG/Hakeem? Duncan/Hakeem? Those teams would be difficult for that pool.

If it were me, I would've gone: KG/Hakeem/Paul George/Terry Porter for my first 4, then added a 3D player like Battier if I could.

Honestly, I didn't even remember the spans game when I made that comment. I was just looking back at the other games with extra FGA restrictions (80 FGA, 75 FGA 70s to now, 75 FGA 90s to now) and Magic teams won all of them.

Even in the spans game, while I agree that Hakeem dropping was the main issue, the difference between the other possibilities and Magic/Hakeem is the element of having an GOAT-level perimeter player mixed in. Big men are generally cheaper, so even if you don't get a Duncan/Hakeem or KG/Hakeem level pairing, you can still get two MVP types fairly easily. In that game we had Giannis/D-Rob, Dwight/Chuck, and Dirk/Zo - not at the same level, but close enough that you can conceivably make up the talent gap elsewhere. Also, it's generally easier to counter great big men schematically than it is to counter great perimeter players with size.

There's no perimeter player in the same galaxy as Magic that you could get for fewer than 16.5 FGA, let alone at the 10.5-12.4 range. It's a ridiculous advantage when FGAs are tightened up. Your best hope is to have a loaded perimeter that can exploit him defensively, but guess what? You can't do that without shelling out a lot of FGAs.

The talent gap could be made up, but Barkley/Dirk/Giannis can't guard KG, and DRob/Mourning/Dwight can't handle Hakeem.

Sure, Wade/Kobe are good, but there were so many elite perimeter defenders in that draft that you can throw like 3/4 players at every perimeter superstar. There was only 1 player per team who could guard the Centers, giving him a bigger edge.

[Jon_3232]

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