Cross decade+2020 draft Finals - Dr Positivity vs goober (goober wins!))

[Dr Positivity]

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

**First to 4 votes wins the championship**

[goober]

Walt Frazier(38)/James Harden(10)
Raja Bell(29)/James Harden(19)
Bruce Bowen(35)/Royce O’Neale(13)
Larry Bird(40)/Royce O’Neale(8)
Hakeem Olajuwon(40)/Jim Barnes(8)


Larry Bird 1985-1986 19.6 FGA
Hakeem Olajuwon 1992-1993 19.5 FGA
Walt Frazier 1969-1970 12.8 FGA(15x.08=12.75)
Bruce Bowen 2002-2003 5.8 FGA
James Harden 2011-2012 10.1 FGA
Royce O’Neale 2019-2020 5.1 FGA
Raja Bell 2007-2008 10.0 FGA
Jim Barnes 1968-1969 3.7 FGA (4.4x.08)

86.6 FGA/88

Wow my first finals ever. What an accomplishment.

Good luck Dr.P

This should be a very close matchup.

Hakeem is the GOAT Kareem Stopper, no other center should be able to give Kareem fits like Hakeem can with his agility, size, and strength. Bell and Bowen are amazing cover's for Kawhi and Drexler, and Stockton should struggle against Frazier.

Throughout the playoffs I've seen my team being docked on offense for Bell/Bowen, however an offense ran through two of the top 10 peaks ever along with Frazier is just as an elite an offense as any team in our game. Bell and Bowen are perfect offensive compliments to Frazier/Bird/Hakeem as they can shoot the open 3 at a very dangerous rate, so when coverage is broken down from one of our 3 main cogs (Frazier/Bird/Hakeem) all 3 are very capable of getting the ball to the open 3 shot of Bell/Bowen.

A huge difference with Dr.P and I is the bench. 2012 Harden is an all star caliber player and our offense will never falter with him coming off the bench.

I truly believe that the combo of Bird/Hakeem is similar to the LeBron/MJ effect that carries a lot of weight in these games

vote: Goober

[Dr Positivity]

PG: John Stockton (1995: 9.6 FGA) - 90s
SG: Clyde Drexler (1991: 16.3 FGA) - Wild Card
SF: Kawhi Leonard (2016: 15.1 FGA) - 10s
PF: Rasheed Wallace (2008: 11.3 FGA) - 00s
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1977: 18.7 FGA) - 70s

PG: George Hill (2020: 6.4 FGA) - 2020
SF/PF: Tom Sanders (1961: 5.2 FGA *.85 = 4.4) - 60s
C: Mark Eaton (1989: 5.0 FGA) - 80s

86.8 / 88

PG: John Stockton (38) / George Hill (10)
SG: Clyde Drexler (30) / George Hill (18)
SF: Kawhi Leonard (38) / Clyde Drexler (10)
PF: Rasheed Wallace (38) / Tom Sanders (10)
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38) / Mark Eaton (10)

GL goober

Defensive matchups: Stockton on Frazier, Drexler on Bell, Sheed on Bowen, Kawhi on Bird, Kareem on Hakeem. We have good defenders on all three of his stars with Kawhi/Bird as helpful to us.

While goober has a strong big 3, we have 4 of the 7 best players in the starting lineups in Stockton/Drexler/Kawhi/Kareem, in addition to Sheed being an all-star who's bigger impact than Bell or Bowen. Both teams have a strong defense however we have a more complete offensive team due to our balanced perimeter of Stockton, Drexler and Kawhi while he starts two 3 and D players and will rely heavily on his big 3 who have good defenders on them. While Harden is better than Hill, I would argue DPOY Eaton is a better 7th man than O'Neale, and I would take the rookie version of a HOF caliber role player in Sanders over Jim Barnes.

[spree8]

Probably the closest matchup I’ve ever seen.

I know Kareem is the greater player, but call me crazy, I prefer Hakeem for the modern style of play with his better jump shot and superior athleticism.

There’s some tape out there I watched of their matchups to get an idea of how it’d look, but felt it’s a bit inaccurate due to Kareem being a bit older and Hakeem not being at his peak yet.

As for the rest of the team, younger Kawhi has his hands full having to cover peak Bird and being covered by Bowen on the other end. Drexler will have an easier time tho and will be able to save all his energy for offense. Stockton and Frazier is a tough matchup... Walt has a serious size advantage and will exploit that in the post and on the defensive end. I give the bench advantage to Goober with Harden there.

All things considered, I gotta go with Goober.

[wackbone]

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Hey, please show the minutes for your rotation. It is important in my dissection of the matchup.

[goober]

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Hey, please show the minutes for your rotation. It is important in my dissection of the matchup.

thats my bad, updated

I copied and pasted the wrong thing

[wackbone]

This is super close. But Dr P's starting group is just so incredibly well rounded. Goober certainly has the depth advantage, going legitimately 7 deep, whereas Dr. P's 6th man is 2020 Hill, and his 7th and 8th guys barely play. But his starting 5 is just so powerful.

In the end I suppose I trust Dr P's advantage in the starting 5 to maintain the lead when the 6th-8th guys are considered.

Vote: Dr P

[Fadeaway_J]

In hindsight I think I would have voted for these two teams to make the finals at the start.

Bell and Bowen starting doesn't bother me a great deal - whoever you start along Hakeem, Bird, and Frazier won't be expected to do much but defend and spot up for threes. On the other hand Dr P has a more well-rounded starting five, and his bench is fine despite the lack of a heavy hitter like Harden.

The decider for me is I can see Kawhi doing enough to limit Bird for Dr P's slight edge in star power to settle things... I guess.

Vote: Dr Positivity

[Dr Positivity]

whereas Dr. P's 6th man is 2020 Hill, and his 7th and 8th guys barely play.

Vote: Dr P

While Eaton doesn't play as many minutes as O'Neale, I would argue he's otherwise the better player to make up for it

[Dr Positivity]

[lilroddyb]

The two best team in the tournament imo

This is going to be extremely close, kind of even on offense and Defense. Dr P has the better starting lineup and Goober has the stronger bench. Fit is really good on both teams in the end I just think having two top ten peaks with Bird/Hakeem and Hakeem being the best player here imo will take the win

Really close but I'll vote Goober

[goober]

2-2

[parsnips33]

Man this is a real battle of the titans.

I like all the covers Goober has for Dr P's crazy starting lineup. I love the fit of Bird and Hakeem on both ends and I think it was my favorite pairing in the whole game. Both teams are very loaded and filled with great players, I feel a bit more comfortable with Hakeem and Bird being able to generate offense against a great defense - although Dr P's team would certainly be able to score in a diverse number of ways.

This is really one where both teams should win

vote: Goober by a hair

[Dr Positivity]

3-2 goober

[Dr Positivity]

Any chance you can help us here?

[Laimbeer]

Dr P's starting five is a more talented, better fitting team. Goober does have Harden off the bench, but he also has two very ordinary starters - so I think any depth advantage he has is probably overstated.

Vote - Dr P

[goober]

3-3 we just need the tie breaking vote

[LA Bird]

Vote: Goober

Peak Hakeem/Bird is a GOAT duo and I am a lot higher on 2012 Harden than most people. Dr P has the more talented starting lineup but Bell/Bowen fits well among Goober's starters and Harden as an offensive punch off the bench is nice. This was close and I would have gone with Dr P if he had gotten a slightly better guard than 2020 George Hill since peak Eaton won't be playing many minutes behind Kareem anyway.

[goober]

Good game, Dr. P

I thought I was going to lose.

[Dr Positivity]

GG, can't be too mad about that one