No MVP big man draft R1 - Fadeaway_J vs wackbone (wackbone advances)

Dr Positivity · Post #1 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat May 21, 2022 7:55 pm

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

**First to 4 votes advances, if nobody has 4 votes 24 hours after voting starts first to 3 votes advances**

Fadeaway_J wrote:

wackbone wrote:

wackbone · Post #2 » by **wackbone** » Sun May 22, 2022 3:48 am

Jayson Tatum - 2022 - 20.6 FGA - Presumed 1st or 2nd Team All-NBA, led league in DWS
Ray Allen - 2001 - 16.0 FGA - All-NBA 3rd
Gary Payton - 1996 - 15.8 FGA - All-NBA 2nd, All-Defensive 1st, DPOY
Paul Pierce - 2008 - 13.7 FGA - All-NBA 3rd, FMVP
DeAndre Jordan - 2016 - 6.6 FGA - All-Defensive 1st, All-NBA 1st
Patrick Beverley - 2019 - 6.1 FGA - pesky defender
Grant Williams - 2022 - 5.6 FGA - Super impactful playoff run, 3 and D forward who can guard all positions
Joel Przybilla - 2009 - 3.3 FGA - big boi, led league in TRB%

Total: 87.7/88 FGA

Rotations:

Gary Payton (38) / Patrick Beverley (10)
Ray Allen (38) / Patrick Beverley (10)
Paul Pierce (36) / Jayson Tatum (12)
Jayson Tatum (26) / Grant Williams (22)
DeAndre Jordan (36) / Joel Przybilla (8) / Grant Williams (4)

Writeup:

Helluva squad as always Fade, best of luck.

Defensively we will start with Ray on Lowry, Payton on Doncic, Pierce on Schrempf, Tatum on George, and Jordan on Gobert. Patrick Beverley will see some time on Fade's perimeter off the bench, same with Grant Williams with Fade's frontcourt.

Fade has a pretty well rounded starting five offensively, but I think we have the right defensive counters to stop his attack. Gary Payton is one of the best perimeter defenders of all time and will look to attack Doncic's handles. Yes Doncic is a bit taller, but I think his game plays right into Payton's talents defensively. If that matchup is doomed we have guys like Patrick Beverley, Jayson Tatum, and Grant Williams to give him different looks. Tatum will start as the primary defender on George, and I think he is tailored made for that matchup given their similar physical traits. Similar story for Pierce on Schrempf - neither guy is super athletic/explosive. Ray on Lowry isn't great, but Lowry isn't the type of offensive player to make that matchup be the nail in the coffin. Gobert is best near the paint - DeAndre is best defending near the paint. And again, Beverley and Williams are high level bench pieces.

Offensively I think we will be insanely hard to contain. We have loads of playmaking, experience, BBIQ, 3 point shooting, etc throughout our lineup. Payton will be our primary ball-handler, working off of Ray, Pierce, and Tatum. I feel like everyone on our team has a pretty clearcut offensive role, with minimal overlap. We will look to target Doncic and Schrempf defensively as much as possibly, especially seeing as if they're both starting then they will both have to guard All-NBA level offensive talents. But if Fade starts either Smart or Kleber over Schrempf then I think his offense takes a big hit, and really Smart would make more sense as a much higher level defender than Kleber. But then Doncic would still be left guarding one of my 1-4, and again we would look to target that matchup.

We really do have similar roster constructions. Talented offensively 1-4 (I trust my 4 to produce more than his), 1 or 2 defensive weaknesses (Ray vs Doncic and Schrempf), a defensive big man who can catch lobs (Gobert has the edge over DeAndre), a pesky perimeter defender off the bench (for all intents and purposes a wash), a multiskilled forward off the bench (Williams has reached another level these playoffs compared to anything Kleber has done), and an 8th guy (Dudley has the edge but is playing 12 minutes to Przybilla's 8, plus the Vanilla Gorilla is a better nickname than anything Dudley has).

Post #3 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Sun May 22, 2022 11:54 am

Starters
C - Rudy Gobert (2020-21)

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PF - Detlef Schrempf (1994-95)

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SF - Paul George (2013-14)

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SG - Luka Doncic (2020-21)

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PG - Kyle Lowry (2017-18)

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Bench
C/F - Maxi Kleber (2020-21)

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F - Jared Dudley (2016-17)

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G - Marcus Smart (2018-19)

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Rotations
C - Gobert (36), Kleber (12)
PF - Schrempf (30), Doncic (8), Dudley (8), Kleber (2)
SF - George (38), Schrempf (6), Doncic (4)
SG - Doncic (18), Smart (30)
PG - Lowry (36), Doncic (12)

FGA Per Player
Luka Doncic - 20.5
Paul George - 17.0
Rudy Gobert - 8.2
Kyle Lowry - 12.1
Detlef Schrempf - 12.2
Marcus Smart - 7.1
Maxi Kleber - 5.5
Jared Dudley - 5.4

Total: 88.0/88.0

A supercharged version of the current Mavs, surrounding Luka with another high-level playmaker in Lowry (who is better off-ball than Brunson), two versatile forwards who can stretch the floor in PG and Schrempf, and an elite roll man in Gobert. We also have the positional flexibility to insert Smart or Kleber into the starting five if we need to ratchet things up defensively. Star-level supporting pieces like Lowry, PG, and Schrempf won't just be spotting up around Luka, but can also create good looks for themselves and others out of the advantages Luka will inevitably generate. Stopping Luka will be pretty much impossible in this setup, and he will also be able to conserve more energy rather than having to do it all himself.

Matchup
- To start, we will go Luka-GP, Lowry-Allen, PG-Tatum, Schrempf-Pierce, Gobert-DAJ. Lowry is starting on Ray because he's much better at fighting over screens and sticking with off-ball movement than Luka, and he also guards bigger than his size. Smart will come in relatively early to match up with Ray, and he's also getting a bump in minutes. PG and Dudley will also spend some time on Pierce as matchups allow.
- As wack mentioned, both teams have some tough defensive matchups, but I would say this is where Gobert gives us an edge as his defensive instincts and mobility are at another level to DAJ. To the extent that defensive breakdowns need to be cleaned up, Gobert is as good as anyone at doing so.
- While GP is a great defender, time has shown that you need comparable size and strength to really prevent Luka from getting where he wants to go on the court.
- We will attack DAJ in spread pick-and-roll which he simply isn't equipped to deal with. He won't be able to stay with Luka or Lowry on switches, forcing GP and Allen to fight over multiple Gobert screens to prevent our guards from turning the corner or hitting pull-up/step-back threes.
- Kleber's minutes will be matched up with Przybilla's, allowing us to go at him with a five-out alignment that leaves him no place to hide.
- Luka being by far the best and most reliable offensive engine in this series has to count for a lot here, especially with the level of talent we've placed around him.

Good luck wack.

uberhikari · Post #4 » by **uberhikari** » Sun May 22, 2022 2:02 pm

Luka is the best player in this series, and I don't think Payton can really guard him. Payton was extremely physical but he's giving up 35 lbs in this matchup. And Doncic is a fantastic post player. However, there is a talent disparity as Payton, Pierce, Allen, and Tatum are all better than either PG, Schrempf, or Lowry. I think this talent disparity is too much for Fade to overcome. Vote: wackbone

Blazer50 · Post #5 » by **Blazer50** » Sun May 22, 2022 7:19 pm

Wackbone in 6. Too much fire power

lilroddyb · Post #6 » by **lilroddyb** » Sun May 22, 2022 11:49 pm

Really fun matchup, these might be my favorite teams in the tournament

I think Luka can hardly be slowed down and as great as Payton is I think he is just to small to really bother Luka. The build on both teams is great, Wack has the better defense since Luka is not that good but it evens out a bit since Gobert is way better on the defensive end than Deandre Jordan

Wack has insane spacing and bunch of guys that can take over the game scoring wise. Fade also has really good spacing but I think Fade has a sizeable advantage in playmaking/Passing overall

vote Fade

wackbone · Post #7 » by **wackbone** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:12 am

2-1 wackbone

Troubadour · Post #8 » by **Troubadour** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:54 am

Think I'll go Wackbone. Kept thinking about where Luka Doncic would hide defensively and there really isn't a spot

Dr Positivity · Post #9 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:24 am

I think the talent advantage is too big for wackbone, Payton, Allen, Pierce and Tatum have an argument for 4 of the 5 best players in the series. While Payton and Tatum both need the ball, I guess Payton can be like an upgraded Smart. Gobert over Deandre is significant but overall I like wackbone's big 4 to overpower Fade here. Vote wackbone.

Post #10 » by **Fadeaway_J** » Mon May 23, 2022 5:06 am

GG wackbone.

Think I'm out on drafting Luka for the foreseeable future. It's too much of a struggle to put a well-fitting team around him without sacrificing on talent.