Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - lilroddyb* vs Fadeaway_J

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Post#1 » by durantbird » Sun Dec 8, 2024 6:14 pm

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups. Please ensure you give a rationale for your vote; votes with no explanation will not be counted.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - lilroddyb vs Fadeaway_J 

Post#2 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Dec 8, 2024 7:30 pm

Starters
C - David Robinson (1995-96)
Spoiler:
25.0 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 3.0 apg, 1.4 spg, 3.3 bpg, .516 FG%, .761 FT%, .589 TS%
- Led the NBA in PER (29.4), DWS (7.2), DBPM (3.1)
- NBA All-Star
- All-NBA First Team
- All-Defensive First Team

PF - Shawn Marion (2006-07)
Spoiler:
17.5 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.7 apg, 2.0 spg, 1.5 bpg, .524 FG%, .317 3P%, .810 FT%, 80 3P (1.0 pg), .594% TS
- NBA All-Star

SF - Tracy McGrady (2002-03)
Spoiler:
32.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.8 bpg, .457 FG%, .386 3P%, .793 FT%, 173 3P (2.3 pg), .564 TS%
- Led the NBA in ppg, PER (30.3), OWS (13.2), WS/48 (.262), OBPM (9.8), BPM (10.5), VORP (9.3)
- NBA All-Star
- All-NBA First Team

SG - Hersey Hawkins (1997-98)
Spoiler:
10.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, .440 FG%, .415 3P%, .868 FT%, 125 3P (1.5 PG), .594 TS%

PG - Steve Nash (2004-05)
Spoiler:
15.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 11.5 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.1 bpg, .502 FG%, .431 3P%, .887 FT%, 94 3P (1.3 pg), .606 TS%
- Led the NBA in apg
- NBA MVP
- NBA All-Star
- All-NBA First Team

Bench
C - Theo Ratliff (2005-06)
Spoiler:
4.9 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.3 spg, 1.6 bpg, .571 FG%, .651 FT%, .599 TS%

F - Toni Kukoc (2004-05)
Spoiler:
5.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.0 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.2 bpg, .410 FG%, .362 3P%, .721 FT%, 42 3P (0.8 pg), .523 TS%

F/G - Anthony Parker (2009-10)
Spoiler:
7.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.9 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.2 bpg, .434 FG%, .414 3P%, .789 FT%, 108 3P (1.3 pg), .576 TS%

Rotations
C - Robinson (40), Ratliff (8)
PF - Marion (38), Kukoc (10)
SF - McGrady (30), Parker (12), Kukoc (6)
SG - Hawkins (35), Parker (13)
PG - Nash (38), McGrady (10)

FGA Per Player
Spoiler:
David Robinson - 16.8
Steve Nash - 11.4
Tracy McGrady - 24.2
Shawn Marion - 13.4
Hersey Hawkins - 7.8
Anthony Parker - 5.9
Toni Kukoc - 4.8
Theo Ratliff - 3.4

Total: 87.7/88.0


Our roster is modelled on the 2004-05 Suns, but with two major upgrades: Robinson over Amar'e, trading one of the worst defensive bigs ever for one of the best, and T-Mac over young Joe Johnson as the secondary perimeter creator and backup PG. The transition game remains potent with multiple defensive playmakers (Robinson, Marion, Hawkins, T-Mac) to generate running opportunities, an uber-athletic frontcourt to run the lanes, and Hawkins trailing for threes. In the halfcourt, the Nash-Robinson pick-and-roll is our bread and butter, but we can also use T-Mac as the ballhandler in this action, or have him attack in isolation.

Matchup
- Initial assignments are Nash-Cooper, Hawkins-Allen, T-Mac-Hill, Marion-Bird, Robinson-Deke. If Hill is running pick-and-roll, T-Mac goes under and dares him to take the long midranger. Robinson has carte blanche to ward off the paint with Deke being a non-threat offensively.
- Needless to say, rather than try and go at Deke in the post, we will lean on spread pick-and-roll with Nash and T-Mac drawing Deke out into space where he's uncomfortable. Even the 2005 Spurs couldn't stop this action one-on-one, and they didn't have to deal with the additional variable of T-Mac being another elite creator. (Check out the 2005 playoffs if you doubt T-Mac's ability to wreck shop as a pick-and-roll ballhandler.)
- With Deke having to show high against our guards, the rim area is open for Marion to do some damage as a cutter and offensive rebounder.

Good luck roddy.
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Post#3 » by lilroddyb » Sun Dec 8, 2024 11:58 pm

C: Dikembe Mutombo 38 min / Andrew Lang 10 min
Pf: Larry Bird 38 min / Grant Hill 10 min
Sf: Michael Cooper 34 min / Alvin Robertson 12 min
Sg: Ray Allen 36 min / Brent Barry 12 min
Pg: Grant Hill 28 min / Alvin Robertson 20 min

86 Larry Bird 19.6
01 Ray Allen 16
86 Michael Cooper 7.4
97 Grant Hill 15.7
01 Brent Barry 6
96 Dikembe Mutombo 7.7
91 Alvin Robertson 11.2
91 Andrew Lang 3

tfga: 86.6


Defense

I think My defense is really good with some of the best defenders, three former DPOYs in Mutombo, Cooper and Alvin Robertson. Then good defenders in Grant Hill, Larry Bird and I guess nothing special defenders in Ray Allen and Brent Barry. Have no idea how Andrew lang was on the defensive end ( most likely terrible )

defensive matchup

Dikembe on David Robinson
Larry Bird on Shawn Marion
Michael Cooper / Alvin Robertson on TMac
RAy Allen on Hersey HAwkins
Grant Hill/Alvin Roberton on Nash

Offense

I got decent spacing overall with great threepoint shooters in Bird, Ray Allen and Brent Barry. decent ones in Cooper and Alvin Robertson so the spacing should be fine. Great offball players in RAy Allen and Larry Bird. Grant Hill can get anywhere on the court

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Post#4 » by wackbone » Mon Dec 9, 2024 3:17 am

Fade's group just makes more sense to me, with a true PG in Nash and a legitimate offensive threat in the post in DRob.

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Post#5 » by DCasey91 » Mon Dec 9, 2024 1:59 pm

Vote - lilroddyb

I prefer the more balanced approach between O and D on his team. It's the defense that sticks out on the 1/2/3 spots

DROB is dangerous with Nash but Mutumbo is a ATG defender, AR can stick on Nash.
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Post#6 » by durantbird » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:21 pm

Cooper and Robertson are both all time great defenders but both are quite slim against TMac. I think the synergy of Nash-DRob overcomes the somewhat clunky fit of Bird-Hill, and I don't like Hill having to guard a quick guard like Nash.

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Post#7 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:27 pm

I prefer Bird-Hill fit to Nash-Tmac and Fade's bench with a 5th starter that's closer to Barry's level is a bit thin for me. Vote lilroddyb.
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Post#8 » by durantbird » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:30 pm

Snakebites wrote:


Larry_Russell wrote:


MadNess wrote:


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Post#9 » by MadNESS » Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:36 am

I like both teams starting 5’s a lot

Fades bench is ultra weak
Roddy can go 7 deep, 8th man really weak

People forget how good Grant Hill was. Hell people forget how good Larry Bird was.

Fades starting 5 for so well. Nash / Tmac and Robinson is a master piece.

Man that bench

Tough

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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - lilroddyb vs Fadeaway_J 

Post#10 » by durantbird » Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:14 am

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