Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess*

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Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess* 

Post#1 » by durantbird » Sun Dec 8, 2024 6:16 pm

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups. Please ensure you give a rationale for your vote; votes with no explanation will not be counted.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess 

Post#2 » by MadNESS » Sun Dec 8, 2024 6:45 pm

PG: Terry Porter (36) | Nate McMillan (12)
SG: Kobe Bryant (40) | Nate McMillan (8)
SF: Mario Elie (32) | Anthony Mason (16)
PF: Karl Malone (40) | Anthony Mason (8)
Cc: Moses Malone (40) | Mark Eaton (8)

07’-08’ Kobe Bryant - 20.6 FGA - MVP
98’-99’ Karl Malone - 16.3 FGA - MVP
78’-79’ Moses Malone - 16.2 FGA - MVP
90’-91’ Terry Porter - 11.7 FGA - All Star
93’-94’ Nate McMillan - 5.4 FGA - SPG Champ
94’-95’ Mario Elie - 6.0 FGA - Champion
94’-95’ Anthony Mason - 6.6 FGA - 6MOTY
88’-89’ Mark Eaton - 5.0 FGA - DPOY

Total: 87.8 | 88.0 FGA

Triangle offense. One Malone high, one Malone low. Inside out. Kobe plays great with bigs. Porter & Elie can hit open shots and are good 3 point shooters. Deep bench with elite role players. Elite defense all the way through. No bad defenders whatsoever. Elite man to man defense. Zero holes with this squad. No team has 3 legit MVP’s.

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Offense: we don’t think there’s a team in this league that can defend the big 3 of Kobe & Malone brothers. We will play inside out, but ina triangle fashion. Malones will play high/low post while we work inside out with Kobe, Terry and Elie. We are the only team to boast 3 MVP’s and our offense will be impossible to stop.

Defense: A full line up of elite defenders, all 8 players are high level defenders. Zero holes on defense. Our team defense is ridiculous. We have the size to stop Duncan.

Other: who guards Kobe? Who guards Karl Malone?

Vote NESS for the best big 3 with excellent role players.
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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess 

Post#3 » by DCasey91 » Mon Dec 9, 2024 10:34 am

Team Name: Buddha's Bandits

Starting Lineup:
PG: J.Kidd
SG: R.Miller
SF: B.Russell
PF: H.Grant
C: T.Duncan

Bench:
D.Schrempf
D.Harper
D.Davis

Rotations (mins):
PG: Kidd 30, Harper 18
SG: Miller 38, Harper 10
SF: Russell 30, Schrempf 18
PF: Grant 38, Schrempf 10
C: Duncan 38, Davis 10

FGA: 87.5/88

Seasons, FGA, Stats
Spoiler:
Starters:
J. Kidd (2009) 9.1/6.2/8.8/2/0.5
TS 55%, FG 41%, 3P 40.6%, FT 81.9%,
FGA (7.7) 3PA(4) FTA(1.3)

R. Miller (1994)
19.9/2.7/3.1/1.5/0.3
TS 63.6%, FG 50.3%, 3P 42.1%, FT 90.8%
FGA (13.2) 3PA (3.7) FTA (5.6)

B. Russell (1997)
10.8/4.1/1.5/1.6/0.3
TS 60%, FG 47.9%, 3P 40.9%, FT
FGA (7.7) 3PA (3.3) FTA (3)

H.Grant (1992)
14.2/10/2.7/1.2/1.6
TS 61.8%, FG 57.8%, FT 74.1%
FGA(9.8) FTA(3.9)

T.Duncan (2003)
23.3/12.9/3.3/0.7/2.9
TS 56.4%, FG 51.3%, FT 71%
FGA (17.2) FTA(7.8)


Bench:
D.Schremp (1995)
19.2/6.2/3.8/1.1/0.4
TS 64.1%, FG 52.3%, 3P 51.4%, FT 83.9%
FGA (12.2) 3PA (2.2) FTA (6.8)

D.Harper (1990)
18/3/7.4/2.3/0.3
TS 56.4%, FG 48.8%, 3P 37.1%, FT 79.4%
FGA (14.2) 3PA(2.9) FTA (3.8)

D.Davis (2003)
7.4/7.2/1.2/07/0.9
TS 56.6%, FG 54.1%, FT 63.3%
FGA (5.6), FTA (2.1)



First off Good Luck MadNess

My team's objective is to run Fundamental 90's ball with a modern uptake with outside shooting. I prioritised synergy above all else. Using high efficiency (4 guys over 60% TS and two way above that and min 55%TS) in combination with play sets used comfortably perfect fitting together and used to spread through out.

3 out high/low split elbow 2 bigs to start main. Many different functions rip throughs, in and out, under the basket screens, mid to high screening action, double screen middle or double screen wing, reverse S running (This is play by play Miller's perfect sets) to either side back through middle then loop around for perimeter work.

3 smart bigs that work so well alongside with outside play and of course Kidd who ties the room together offensively and defensively.

Basically I have 2 man, 3 man triangle games galore. I can use any of the 5 starting to occupy screen or double and the spacing is wonderful. Grant has the face up 15 middie, Duncan has that range face up + fade and Spurs use to run a small subset middle free throw hand off/DHO from secondary big shooting/playmake from straight ahead

The most underrated part about Reggie's game is himself being a screener. Funny asf seeing his bald noggin under the basket basically doing yoga splits and covering his man bits (I mean that's obvious they are a liability lmao) but yeah went off in the playoffs because honestly part of the reason is that it's a F ton of running and off ball action and team's back then didn't prioritise defending these things. Even a simple in and out mid back off big screen is more than enough to get an open look and Miller buried them... A lot. And it didn't have to be 3p either. Strong shooting in middle and of course got to the line at a very high clip for his playstyle

94 Playoffs Reggie is kill mode and Duncan 03 is one of the greatest carry jobs of all time

Grant + Duncan is so complimentary on both sides of the ball. Interior protection, Grant finished top 5 on O boards and Duncan is Duncan that compared with Kidd and Miller with Byron playing man on defence on the dangerous Kobe I really do think I have the advantage. Yes Kidd/Harps/Russell will all take turns defending him, and Duncan and Grant is a great matchup vs the Malone's

Now to Kidd I mentioned earlier this is exactly what I want from him. Him and Harps will be the rotation ball handlers and switch on or off 1/2/3 defensively for traps, or man, or just straight switch. He's the ultimate team guy, runs the ball, rebounds, defends like a wing, passes great, shoots or C&S, I compartmentalised the volume scoring load especially for the very reason.

Kidd
Harper
Miller
Shrempf
Duncan

Kidd
Harper
Russell
Shrempf
Duncan

As you can see I do have 4 out capabilities also

It's like mid 90's Keem, Pacers and early 00's Duncan except Duncan doesn't have to do a lot of heavy lifting because the Green Parker is replaced with older wise Kidd and more spacing for attack.

All unselfish, everyone gets a touch, can be in/out or out/in whatever the dynamic is. Reggie is a running headache, Kidd will be zipping around everywhere like he has adhd they all work off each other brilliantly. Like a triangle set with Kidd/Duncan/Miller something great will come of it. If Duncan/Grant are covered/defended well they will have two players in eye shot to pass off for shoot or more play.

Love this team my objective was synergy and I really do think I hit that.

I like my chances both offensively and defensively in this matchup with having a versatile two way setup Duncan, Grant, Kidd, Harper, Russell and Schrempf.
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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess 

Post#4 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:12 pm

DCasey's team is well constructed, but I don't think he quite has the horses to overcome Ness's core of Kobe + the Malones, and Porter is a ridiculous fourth option.

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Post#5 » by durantbird » Mon Dec 9, 2024 2:19 pm

I like both teams, but Ness has a higher ceiling. Also Kobe's defense over Reggie's give Ness an edge, as he doesn't really have defensive weak spots.

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Post#6 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Dec 9, 2024 7:34 pm

I would like Casey's team more with prime Kidd but on the other hand the Malones are both slightly downgraded. I give Ness minor starting ilneup advantage but Casey's phenomenal bench makes up for it. Vote DCasey.
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Post#7 » by MadNESS » Mon Dec 9, 2024 8:21 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I would like Casey's team more with prime Kidd but on the other hand the Malones are both slightly downgraded. I give Ness minor starting ilneup advantage but Casey's phenomenal bench makes up for it. Vote DCasey.


How is having 2 MVP's with 2 seasons slightly downgraded?
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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess 

Post#8 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Dec 9, 2024 9:12 pm

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Dr Positivity wrote:I would like Casey's team more with prime Kidd but on the other hand the Malones are both slightly downgraded. I give Ness minor starting ilneup advantage but Casey's phenomenal bench makes up for it. Vote DCasey.


How is having 2 MVP's with 2 seasons slightly downgraded?


99 Malone is an obvious production downgrade from 97 and 98 despite winning MVP. I always considered 79 Moses his weakest MVP season, his offensive stats are fine but drops off in playoffs, and I believe his defense in 83 is better, while in 79 he is on 21st/22nd team on D.
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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess 

Post#9 » by Snakebites » Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:22 am

It’s tough.

Even a post-prime Kidd is going to be effective in his role here, though he’s a super role player rather than a top point guard here, and prime versions of Harper and Schrempf assure that his team will produce at high levels at all times.

On the other hand Ness’s 1-4 is remarkable here but there’s virtually no offensive quality on that bench- he’s relying on non scorers in the 5-8 spots on his rotation to log major minutes.

Super tough call.

I think Casey went a bit overboard on his bench. Using a 3.0 FGA guy to backup Duncan, along with slight downgrades to Detlef and/or Duncan allows you to get Phoenix Kidd. As is there isn’t quite enough elite talent to overcome Ness even though style wise I prefer Casey’s team.

As is, Vote Ness
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Re: Nineties Players Redux Draft - R2 - DCasey91 vs MadNess 

Post#10 » by durantbird » Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:28 am

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