Redick Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Larry_Russell*

[durantbird]

Here is a quick list of what you need in your writeup.

1. Specific years for each player on your team
2. Rotations and minutes for each player
3. Reasoning as to why your team will win and/or why people should vote for you.

Do not vote in this thread until both managers have submitted their writeups. Once the writeups are posted, I will add a poll, and the team with the most votes after 24 hours will advance. EACH MANAGER SHOULD ALSO VOTE FOR THEIR OWN TEAM IN THE POLL - IF YOU FAIL TO DO THIS, YOU ARE SIMPLY GIVING AWAY A VOTE. If the votes are tied, we will decide the matchup via AI vote.

You are not required to state or explain your vote, but you are free to comment in the thread if you want to.

If writeups aren't posted within 24 hours, we will vote solely based on the players they have drafted (and any rotations they have posted on their roster page).

[wackbone]

Cat 1 - Bill Russell - 1965 - (12.6x0.85) 10.7 FGA - MVP, All-NBA 1st, All-Star
Cat 2 - Mark Price - 1992 - 12.5 FGA - 7th in MVP, All-NBA 3rd, All-Star, 38.7 3P% on 3.6 att
Cat 3 - Rashard Lewis - 2009 - 13.8 FGA - All-Star, 39.7 3P% on 7.0 att
Cat 4 - Patrick Beverley - 2019 - 6.1 FGA - 9th in DPOY, 39.7 3P% on 3.6 att
Cat 5 - Andre Iguodala - 2012 - 10.2 FGA - 7th in DPOY, All-Star, 39.4 3P% on 3.1 att
Cat 6 - Omer Asik - 2016 - (2.9) 3.0 FGA
Cat 7 - Sidney Moncrief - 1983 - 15.2 FGA - 4th in MVP, All-NBA 1st, DPOY, All-Star
Cat 8 - Dirk Nowitzki - 2011 - 16.2 FGA - 6th in MVP, All-NBA 2nd, FMVP, All-Star, 39.3 3P% on 2.3 att, ATG Playoff Run
Total: 87.7/88 FGA

Mark Price (36) / Patrick Beverley (12)
Sidney Moncrief (36) / Patrick Beverley (12)
Andre Iguodala (30) / Rashard Lewis (18)
Dirk Nowitzki (36) / Rashard Lewis (12)
Bill Russell (40) / Omer Asik (8)

Writeup:

Helluva team LR, best of luck.

Defensively, we will start with Price on Stockton, Moncrief on Erving, Iggy on TMac, Dirk on Herb, Russell on Kareem. Beverley will also see significant time on Stockton off of the bench.

I think we match up really well defensively. Moncrief, Iggy, and Russell are all elite defenders for his 3 biggest offensive threats in TMac, Dr. J, and Kareem. Dirk hides on Herb. Stockton+TMac+Dr. J seems like maybe one too many ball-handlers, somewhat limiting the overall effectiveness of the group.

We have a similarly talented offensive group but a more clear fit. It's clear that LR has the better top 3 scorers but I have the better 4-6th scorers. Price and Moncrief share creation duties. Dirk is the primary offensive engine down low.

Above all else, the differences in the benches seal the deal here. Lewis is far and away the best bench piece, and I think Beverley is likely the second best.

[Larry_Russell]

PG: John Stockton (1994-95) 9.6
14.7ppg, 3rpg, 12.3apg, 2.5spg, 45% on 3-3pta
MVP-8, NBA1, DEF-2, AS

SG: Tracy McGrady (2001-02) 20.9
25.6ppg, 8rpg, 5.3apg, 1.6spg, 1bpg, 36.5% on 3.7-3pta
MVP-4, NBA-1, AS

SF: Julius Erving (1981-82) 17.6
24.4ppg, 7rpg, 4apg, 2spg, 1.7bpg
MVP-3, NBA-1, AS

PF: Herb Jones (2023-24) 7.7
11ppg, 3.6rpg, 2.6apg, 1.5spg, 0.8bpg, 41.8% on 3.6-3pta
DPOY-5, Def-1

C: Kareem Abdul Jabaar (1973-74) 18.4
27ppg, 14.5rpg, 4.8apg, 1.5spg, 3.5spg
MVP, NBA-1, DEF-1, AS

PG/SG: Delon Wright (2019-20) 5.6
7ppg, 3.8rpg, 3.3apg, 1.2spg, 37% on 1.7-3pta

SF/PF: Ime Udoka (2007-08) 5.1
5.8ppg, 3.1rpg, 1apg, 0.8spg, 37% on 2.3-3pta

C: Bo Outlaw (1995-96) 3
3.6ppg, 2.5rpg, 0.6apg, 0.6spg, 1.1bpg
DPOY-8

PG: Stockton (38) / Wright (8)
SG: McGrady (38) / Wright (10)
SF: Erving (38) / Udoka (10)
PF: Jones (38) / Outlaw (5) / Udoka (5)
C: Kareem (40) / Outlaw (8)

87.9/88


Stockton - Category 2
McGrady - Orlando
Dr. J - Philly
Jones - New Orleans
Kareem - Milwaukee
Wright - Dallas
Udoka - Category 1
Outlaw - Los Angeles C


Defense: straight up.

We bith have very nice defense but I do see price and Dirk as a pretty glaring weakpoint that can be switched and isolated by mcgrady and Dr J.

There is some defensive flaws

Offensively I am pretty dominate with my top 3 guys and one of the alltime greatest PGs who can run the 2 man game with Kareem when I need buckets. Otherwise he is another elite catch and shoot guy to surround my monster wing duo.

[durantbird]

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Matchup is open. LR and wack please vote for yourselves

[wackbone]

Still 5 hours to go, but TBH I'm quite surprised this is this close. The bench disparity is massive.

[Larry_Russell]

Still 5 hours to go, but TBH I'm quite surprised this is this close. The bench disparity is massive.

But my bench isnt trash either.

Good utility guys at least, not the top end level, but not really weak either. But my damage is certainly in the starting lineup.

[wackbone]

Still 5 hours to go, but TBH I'm quite surprised this is this close. The bench disparity is massive.

But my bench isnt trash either.

Good utility guys at least, not the top end level, but not really weak either. But my damage is certainly in the starting lineup.

Perhaps. And no doubt your starting group is great. But I just don't think any potential difference in our starting groups makes up for the difference in the benches.

Price-Stockton - Price more of a scorer, but edge to Stockton
Dirk-Erving - Push
Moncrief/Iggy-TMac/Herb - Push, I think Iggy's edge over Herb is similar to TMac's over Moncrief
Russell-Kareem - Edge to Kareem, certainly offensively. Russell was the MVP in the chosen season as well.

So is Stockton and Kareem's edge over Price and Russell more than Lewis' edge over Udoka? I don't believe so, but apparently at least half of the voters do. I think both of us have similar levels of defensive and fit concerns (neither of us are terrible in either regard, I'm saying we both have similar levels of slight concerns) so I think it is largely talent, and I think I get the edge there throughout the full lineup.

I'd be curious to hear from voters - what swayed you here? Russell's lower-level of scoring? Stockton's talent edge over Price? Do you not value benches as much?

[Fadeaway_J]

Still 5 hours to go, but TBH I'm quite surprised this is this close. The bench disparity is massive.

But my bench isnt trash either.

Good utility guys at least, not the top end level, but not really weak either. But my damage is certainly in the starting lineup.

Perhaps. And no doubt your starting group is great. But I just don't think any potential difference in our starting groups makes up for the difference in the benches.

Price-Stockton - Price more of a scorer, but edge to Stockton
Dirk-Erving - Push
Moncrief/Iggy-TMac/Herb - Push, I think Iggy's edge over Herb is similar to TMac's over Moncrief
Russell-Kareem - Edge to Kareem, certainly offensively. Russell was the MVP in the chosen season as well.

So is Stockton and Kareem's edge over Price and Russell more than Lewis' edge over Udoka? I don't believe so, but apparently at least half of the voters do. I think both of us have similar levels of defensive and fit concerns (neither of us are terrible in either regard, I'm saying we both have similar levels of slight concerns) so I think it is largely talent, and I think I get the edge there throughout the full lineup.

I'd be curious to hear from voters - what swayed you here? Russell's lower-level of scoring? Stockton's talent edge over Price? Do you not value benches as much?

I'm not a fan of the Moncrief-Iguodala pairing offensively. I think it eats into the spacing advantage created by having Dirk on the team, especially when you also have Russell who isn't much of a scoring threat. Larry also has superior top-end talent for me in general. Iguodala being the only bigger defensive wing against a team featuring Dr J and T-Mac is also an issue.

Your bench is certainly stronger (largely due to Lewis), but IMO Larry's doesn't have any players who are actively harmful in their roles, which is when I really start to worry about a bench. The major benefit of having an offensive core like Kareem/Doc/T-Mac/Stockton is that you don't require as much support from the guys around them.

[wackbone]

But my bench isnt trash either.

Good utility guys at least, not the top end level, but not really weak either. But my damage is certainly in the starting lineup.

Perhaps. And no doubt your starting group is great. But I just don't think any potential difference in our starting groups makes up for the difference in the benches.

Price-Stockton - Price more of a scorer, but edge to Stockton
Dirk-Erving - Push
Moncrief/Iggy-TMac/Herb - Push, I think Iggy's edge over Herb is similar to TMac's over Moncrief
Russell-Kareem - Edge to Kareem, certainly offensively. Russell was the MVP in the chosen season as well.

So is Stockton and Kareem's edge over Price and Russell more than Lewis' edge over Udoka? I don't believe so, but apparently at least half of the voters do. I think both of us have similar levels of defensive and fit concerns (neither of us are terrible in either regard, I'm saying we both have similar levels of slight concerns) so I think it is largely talent, and I think I get the edge there throughout the full lineup.

I'd be curious to hear from voters - what swayed you here? Russell's lower-level of scoring? Stockton's talent edge over Price? Do you not value benches as much?

I'm not a fan of the Moncrief-Iguodala pairing offensively. I think it eats into the spacing advantage created by having Dirk on the team, especially when you also have Russell who isn't much of a scoring threat. Larry also has superior top-end talent for me in general. Iguodala being the only bigger defensive wing against a team featuring Dr J and T-Mac is also an issue.

Your bench is certainly stronger (largely due to Lewis), but IMO Larry's doesn't have any players who are actively harmful in their roles, which is when I really start to worry about a bench. The major benefit of having an offensive core like Kareem/Doc/T-Mac/Stockton is that you don't require as much support from the guys around them.

Thank you for the insight, I appreciate it!

[wackbone]

GG Larry! Best of luck moving forward.