Drafted By The Same Franchise Draft - Discussion

[durantbird]

1. All NBA/ABA seasons from 1959-60 to 2024-25 are eligible, subject to the restrictions outlined below.

2. You will be required to select a total of 8 players over 4 rounds. Each of your players must play a minimum of 8 minutes in your rotations. Any player chosen in a season that is pre-merger will have a multiplier of 0.85 applied against their actual fga, rounded to closest 0.1.

3. Your team will be allowed a combined total of 88.0 FGA with a minimum of 3.0 FGA per player corresponding with the specific seasons indicated for each player. NOTE: You may pick a player whose actual FGA number was lower than 3.0, but you still be charged 3.0 for that player.

4. Each player you select must have played at least 50% of regular season games in the season selected.

5. In each round you may select between 1 to 3 players. You may skip the last round if you already picked 8 players.

All players selected with the same pick must have been DRAFTED by the same franchise. You may choose ANY eligible season for these players, even if it is not for the team that drafted them.

6. Undrafted players are NOT eligible to be on rosters for this game.

7. Predecessor franchises are included. If you take the Oklahoma City Thunder you have access to all players drafted by the Seattle Supersonics.

8. Your 8 players must be comprised of the following categories:
- Category 1: Up to one player who ever won regular season NBA MVP, or ever won a Finals MVP AND All NBA First accolade (like Kawhi/West/Wade)
- Category 2: Up to one player who ever won an All-NBA First accolade, and no NBA MVP or Finals MVP (All ABA First guys like Artis Gilmore aren't included here)
- Category 3: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Second
- Category 4: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Third or was selected to an All Star game
- Category 5: Four other players who don't qualify for the above categories

Note - Finals MVP winners with All NBA First, can still qualify for categories 2/3/4/5 (depending on All NBA and All Star accolades)

You can "downgrade" a category. For example, you can pick pick a guy like Klay Thompson who was never All-NBA First for your Category 2 spot. You obviously cannot upgrade a lower category to a higher one (for example, an MVP like David Robinson can only be selected as Category 1).

9. We will be doing a modified snake draft. It will go ABBA

10. Drafters will get a maximum of a 2-hour window to make their selection when they are on the clock. If you still have not chosen a team by then, or if the team you have chosen is already selected, you will be skipped. Also, if you know ahead of time that you won't be available to make your pick on the clock then please PM your selection to another participant. NOTE: If you miss one pick and have failed to make it by the time your next pick comes around, you will be skipped.

11. The clock will be turned off between 11 PM and 9 AM EDT.

12. Draft order will be completely randomized.

13. After you have made your draft selection, please quote and/or PM the person that goes after you so they will know that it is their turn and they are on the clock. You may not change your pick after it has been made, even if the next person in the order has not picked yet. Please note that the clock starts whenever the previous drafter has either made their pick or their two-hour window has expired, even if the next person is not quoted.

14. The winner of the draft will be determined by rankings. Make sure to submit your roster page by deadline to be included in rankings.

Team Roster Page Rules:

You will be responsible for creating a roster page for your fantasy team. Here are the things that you will be required to include on your roster page:

. Players
. Rotations
. Draft selections
. The most important of all, you must show the total FGA per player on your roster AND a total sum of each players FGA to display that it is under the required 88.0 FGA

-All of the above must be completed before playoffs/rankings

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durantbird
Snakebites
Dr Positivity
Fadeaway_J
flaco
JimmyPlopper
ReggiesKnicks
Larry_Russell
lilroddyb

[Snakebites]

In.

I think limiting it to 3 players per pick and allowing a 4th round, along with splititng category 3, should help nerf the top picks that are kinda running the previous draft.

The ability to revisit franchises also makes a big difference.

[Dr Positivity]

Ok

[Fadeaway_J]

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[flaco]

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[JimmyPlopper]

I'm in

[ReggiesKnicks]

In

[Larry_Russell]

Yup

[ReggiesKnicks]

Does this need to be a 66-year window?

[lilroddyb]

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[Snakebites]

Does this need to be a 66-year window?

I think concerns about a pool that is too deep are mitigated by the category limitations.

DB's call- the game could work with any time frame I think.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Does this need to be a 66-year window?

I think concerns about a pool that is too deep are mitigated by the category limitations.

I don’t think the game would be harmed by a cut in time frame either, but it’s DB’s call.

The years make it so you don't care about the categories. There isn't going to be a trade-off between the Top 8 or 10 for each category.

- Category 1: Up to one player who ever won regular season NBA MVP, or ever won a Finals MVP AND All NBA First accolade (like Kawhi/West/Wade)
- Category 2: Up to one player who ever won an All-NBA First accolade, and no NBA MVP or Finals MVP (All ABA First guys like Artis Gilmore aren't included here)
- Category 3: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Second
- Category 4: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Third or was selected to an All Star game
- Category 5: Four other players who don't qualify for the above categories

There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 1
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 2
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 3
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 4
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #32 player in Category 5

This might as well just be a build-a-team and submit rather than a draft.

[Snakebites]

Does this need to be a 66-year window?

I think concerns about a pool that is too deep are mitigated by the category limitations.

I don’t think the game would be harmed by a cut in time frame either, but it’s DB’s call.

The years make it so you don't care about the categories. There isn't going to be a trade-off between the Top 8 or 10 for each category.

- Category 1: Up to one player who ever won regular season NBA MVP, or ever won a Finals MVP AND All NBA First accolade (like Kawhi/West/Wade)
- Category 2: Up to one player who ever won an All-NBA First accolade, and no NBA MVP or Finals MVP (All ABA First guys like Artis Gilmore aren't included here)
- Category 3: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Second
- Category 4: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Third or was selected to an All Star game
- Category 5: Four other players who don't qualify for the above categories

There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 1
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 2
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 3
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 4
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #32 player in Category 5

This might as well just be a build-a-team and submit rather than a draft.

Category 1: I don't entirely agree, and this becomes even less true when fit/flexibility are taken into account.

Categories 2-4- Disagree entirely. There are definitely players in each catgory that stand above others, especially in category 2. And again, it's about getting the right players, not just talented enough players. Successful teams will not only secure good talent at these spots, but talent that complements their category one guy.

Category 5: Role player pool has always been fairly flat in terms of raw talent- it's about getting the right players in the right spots. This is a non-unique issue that is prevalent in most drafts.

We certainly won't run out of players. But some will manage to piece their teams together better than others.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I think concerns about a pool that is too deep are mitigated by the category limitations.

I don’t think the game would be harmed by a cut in time frame either, but it’s DB’s call.

The years make it so you don't care about the categories. There isn't going to be a trade-off between the Top 8 or 10 for each category.

- Category 1: Up to one player who ever won regular season NBA MVP, or ever won a Finals MVP AND All NBA First accolade (like Kawhi/West/Wade)
- Category 2: Up to one player who ever won an All-NBA First accolade, and no NBA MVP or Finals MVP (All ABA First guys like Artis Gilmore aren't included here)
- Category 3: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Second
- Category 4: Up to one player who was ever selected to All NBA Third or was selected to an All Star game
- Category 5: Four other players who don't qualify for the above categories

There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 1
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 2
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 3
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #8 player in Category 4
There isn't a big difference between the #1 and #32 player in Category 5

This might as well just be a build-a-team and submit rather than a draft.

Category 1: I don't entirely agree, and this becomes even less true when fit/flexibility are taken into account.

Categories 2-4- Disagree entirely. There are definitely players in each catgory that stand above others, especially in category 2. And again, it's about getting the right players, not just talented enough players. Successful teams will not only secure good talent at these spots, but talent that complements their category one guy.

Category 5: Role player pool has always been fairly flat in terms of raw talent- it's about getting the right players in the right spots. This is a non-unique issue that is prevalent in most drafts.

We certainly won't run out of players. But some will manage to piece their teams together better than others.

You raise some good points here.

[durantbird]

It can certainly work with a tighter timeframe. But it's one of those drafts I don't really care we have a larger timeframe because of the team composition limitations.

Those drafts are usually quite rare so I think in the chances where a large timeframe doesn't hurt, we should use it

[Fadeaway_J]

I think where a massive time frame gets crazy is if the other restrictions are light or nonexistent.

In this case, not only is the top-end talent significantly restricted by the team limits (categories 1 and 2 are where you would generally see the boost in pre-90s players), but there's also the fact that you have to pick multiple players from the same franchise in at least two rounds.

[Snakebites]

Come on, at least one more...

We can repeat franchises now so there’s no reason it needs to be capped at 10, but I’d love to at least get there.

[flaco]

Hope we've done enough to nerf the Celtics. They comfortably won both ''core'' drafts last year. Seems like they are about to win the ''franchise'' draft as well. Would still take them #1 tbh despite the revisited rules. Their potential big 3 is super versatile, albeit a bit expensive. Depending on how the game plays out, they may end up being vulnerable at the C position.

[Snakebites]

Hope we've done enough to nerf the Celtics. They comfortably won both ''core'' drafts last year. Seems like they are about to win the ''franchise'' draft as well. Would still take them #1 tbh despite the revisited rules. Their potential big 3 is super versatile, albeit a bit expensive. Depending on how the game plays out, they may end up being vulnerable at the C position.

The inability to take the 2 former category 3 guys together nerfs them quite a bit, as does the need to commit to 3 specific players. No flexibility depending on who drops anymore.