GM a Team Poll, 09 Draft or 08-09 trading

[skorff26]

Voting is closed

We will use real life standings for the draft order

There will be a trading period before the draft since we have to see who is declaring for the draft anyway.

If you have a strong preference to either using 08-09 salaries or 09-10 salaries during the trading period; post your reasoning in this thread; and I will make a decision tomorrow night.

[Gremz]

I'd prefer to trade players before the draft but don't mind either way.

Of course the sim part would be much easier if no trades are made.

[sterncohen]

Sorry to make this more complicated, but I think there's a better option here: start with a trading period, but use 2009-10 salaries, and with trading expired contracts (i.e. contracts ending in 2008-09) not allowed. That gives teams a chance to make themselves better before the draft, and to make trades involving 2009 draft picks, but in a way that's a lot more realistic.

[skorff26]

Sorry to make this more complicated, but I think there's a better option here: start with a trading period, but use 2009-10 salaries, and with trading expired contracts (i.e. contracts ending in 2008-09) not allowed. That gives teams a chance to make themselves better before the draft, and to make trades involving 2009 draft picks, but in a way that's a lot more realistic.

I added your idea in as well. So all votes were deleted so if you were one of the 4 who had already voted then you must re-vote.

[sterncohen]

Thanks.

[TMACFORMVP]

I'd prefer to trade players before the draft but don't mind either way.

Yeah, I'd agree with this.

[SamBone]

I think sterncohen is onto something, but would we use 2009 standings to figure out draft spots? Also what about the bird rites and restricted FA's? Like Milsap I assume Utah couldn't trade him or his rites, but would still be able to match and a team like Dallas couldn't trade JKidd but would have his bird rites and could spend money to sign him even though they are capped out

[Garmfay]

I like sterncohen's idea but with current draft lottery standings with it. We should be able to inherit the picks because the season is over and the lottery standings are there. All we have to do is do 1 lottery draft simulation. But yes I agree we shouldn't trade 08-09 salaries.

[roc]

What if starting with the draft gets the most votes by a couple over the runner up but the other 2 combined have more total votes?

IMO that still means more people want to trade before a draft happens.

[Garmfay]

I don't care about the trading aspect just I think we should keep our current picks to start out with.

[skorff26]

for the draft; if trading of expirings is allowed (we would be using 2008-2009 salaries) then we will sim the league to get the draft order; but if either we start with the draft, or with trading before the draft (with 2009-2010 salaries) then the real life standings will be used since we only sim to get an idea of how teams would do and in reality, there real life standings would be much more valid than any sim that is done.

Also since there is a good chance that there will be a 2010 draft; the 2009 draft will have to occur after April 27 so then we will know who is declaring and who is staying in school.

[roc]

I don't care about the trading aspect just I think we should keep our current picks to start out with.

Of course you do since Toronto's RL record sucks. You should have no worries though if you don't make your team a ton better before the draft.

well...

except for those that make their teams worse before the draft that is...

[CellarDoor]

Random thought, but perhaps you should not make the voting anonymous in a poll, especially since people not involved with the game could vote.

[deNIEd]

Not starting the with the draft pretty much takes away 10 team or so's best asset.

The draft is set up so that there is a balance in terms of talent in the league. The teams that are on the bottom get a boost from getting a high prospect in the draft. The NBA season is already over, and if we don't start with the draft, every team on the bottom is robbed of their "boost."

The lineup's we are starting with reflect the real life's teams intentions in the draft as well. For example, Sacramento got worse with the Miller/Salmons for Nocioni/nothing trade. However, it was clear that the team felt it was more important in shedding salary and improving the draft situation. If you simply ignore this fact, you might as well ignore every transaction that happened during the season as well.

We are trying to emulate the position of a real life GM, so why would we go back in time simply to allow us to trade at first. Draft picks by this point of the season are no longer a "pick" anymore but instead a player that teams are hoping to help their team out.

Simply start with the draft -> offseason ->regular season ->trade deadline ->sim -> 2010 draft ->2010 offseason ->end of sim.

[Garmfay]

Not starting the with the draft pretty much takes away 10 team or so's best asset.

The draft is set up so that there is a balance in terms of talent in the league. The teams that are on the bottom get a boost from getting a high prospect in the draft. The NBA season is already over, and if we don't start with the draft, every team on the bottom is robbed of their "boost."

The lineup's we are starting with reflect the real life's teams intentions in the draft as well. For example, Sacramento got worse with the Miller/Salmons for Nocioni/nothing trade. However, it was clear that the team felt it was more important in shedding salary and improving the draft situation. If you simply ignore this fact, you might as well ignore every transaction that happened during the season as well.

We are trying to emulate the position of a real life GM, so why would we go back in time simply to allow us to trade at first. Draft picks by this point of the season are no longer a "pick" anymore but instead a player that teams are hoping to help their team out.

Simply start with the draft -> offseason ->regular season ->trade deadline ->sim -> 2010 draft ->2010 offseason ->end of sim.

Bang on. Though I also like sterncohen's idea of trading 09-10 salaries right now like you could on draft day

[LeQuitterNotMVP]

I think we should have some sort of trading period before the draft, preferably with 09-10 salaries.

But either way, we should NOT sim the teams. Use the real standings for the draft, and then either do a lotto sim, or if the draft isn't until late May/early June, then use the real lotto order.

[SamBone]

deNIEd is dead on. I also agree with people that would like to trade before the draft (like in the NBA).
Could Shawn Marion be traded, or is he already expired? (making Mike Miller an expiring in 2010)

Would Dallas still have bird rites to resign JKidd (overcap)?

Would Utah have RFA rites on Milsap?

I also agree that the draft should be after the declare date so we would have a month to make moves. Have the draft start around April 29th and then have free agency begin in early May

Also how would we sim the 2009/2010 seasn? nobody would know how the rookies would play in the NBA, so how could we sim for a 2010 draft and much anticipated 2010 free agency

[bcortell]

I don't see why teams would trade 09-10 salaries before the draft, then draft, then go back to trading 09-10 salaries. Wouldn't you start like a real season (minus the dead time between the draft and when players can actually be traded) and do trading right after the draft?

[roc]

^Agreed

I would think it would be...

trade 08/09 salaries
DRAFT
Free Agency
trade 09/10 salaries
etc...

[bcortell]

well we don't actually agree on how it should be.