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I will post the rankings in this thread tomorrow afternoon/evening. The East/West winners in each of the 3 categories will have a playoff to determine winners. Those teams can post up their write ups in this thread and we will vote in this thread instead of email.

As for rankings... so far I have only received rankings from 5 GMs. Please get these in by tomorrow morning/early afternoon if you are not one of the 5 that have already done so.

So far only 5 and 1/2 rankings have been received. Come on guys this doesn't take much time/effort to do.

6 1/2

Did you get mine?

^yep

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I decided to hold off posting results til tomorrow morning since I still had some rankings coming in and wanted a more fair overall picture to roll with.

I ended up using the same point system that skorff used last go round and gave 50 points to each GM that sent in rankings.

From 1st to last the points were handed out like ...

50 - 42 - 37 - 32 - 28 - 24 - 20 - 16 - 13 - 10 - 07 etc(doesn't matter as most GMs didn't vote for teams with no write up)

Here are the results for 'win now'

Win Now

East

NYK 50 = 42 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 42 - 50 - 42 - 37 - 50 - 37 - 50 - 50 = 600
TOR 50 = 50 - 42 - 37 - 42 - 37 - 42 - 50 - 42 - 42 - 50 - 42 - 42 = 568
ORL 50 = 37 - 50 - 42 - 37 - 42 - 50 - 37 - 50 - 37 - 42 - 37 - 37 = 548
NJN 50 = 32 - 37 - 37 - 28 - 37 - 32 - 28 - 32 - 32 - 32 - 32 - 32 = 391
CHI 50 = 28 - 32 - 32 - 32 - 32 - 32 - 24 - 32 - 28 - 20 - 28 - 24 = 344
MIL 24 - 28 - 28 - 28 - 16 - 28 - 20 - 20 - 20 - 24 - 24 - 16 - 16 = 268
IND 20 - 24 - 24 - 24 - 24 - 24 - 16 - 37 - 16 - 28 - 20 - 24 - 28 = 261
BOS 13 - 20 - 20 - 20 - 20 - 20 - 28 - 13 - 24 - 16 - 16 - 20 - 13 = 230
CHA 50 = 16 - 16 - 16 - 16 - 13 - 16 - 24 - 13 - 13 - 13 - 28 - 20 = 104



West

SAS 50 = 42 - 42 - 50 - 42 - 42 - 50 - 42 - 50 - 50 - 42 - 50 - 50 = 602
LAL 50 = 50 - 50 - 50 - 42 - 50 - 50 - 37 - 50 - 42 - 42 - 42 - 37 = 592
DAL 50 = 32 - 32 - 42 - 37 - 37 - 32 - 28 - 37 - 28 - 50 - 28 - 42 = 475
MEM 37 - 37 - 28 - 28 - 28 - 37 - 42 - 16 - 28 - 32 - 32 - 37 - 32 = 414
SAC 50 = 28 - 28 - 32 - 24 - 20 - 28 - 32 - 28 - 24 - 37 - 28 - 32 = 367
DEN 50 = 24 - 16 - 20 - 24 - 24 - 16 - 24 - 37 - 16 - 37 - 24 - 16 = 328
UTH 24 - 20 - 37 - 32 - 32 - 20 - 20 - 32 - 32 - 20 - 24 - 20 - 28 = 321
GSW 50 = 20 - 16 - 20 - 13 - 16 - 13 - 20 - 20 - 24 - 20 - 16 - 24 = 272
MIN 16 - 13 - 24 - 10 - 13 - 13 - 10 - 13 - 16 - 13 - 16 - 13 - 20 = 190
PHX 50 = 10 - 07 - 13 - 07 - 10 - 07 - 07 - 07 - 10 - 10 - 07 - 10 = 155
NOH 13 - 10 - 07 - 16 - 16 - 10 - 24 - 10 - 07 - 10 - 13 - 10 - 13 = 146

Feel free to check the math as the numbers were starting to blurrrr

New York and San Antonio will have a playoff to determine the overall winner in this category and can get started on their write ups for why they deserve the victory.

We will vote for the winner in the playoffs thread instead of sending me email.

Rebuild

East

NYK 50 = 50 - 42 - 24 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 28 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 = 566
NJN 50 = 37 - 42 - 32 - 28 - 42 - 42 - 42 - 32 - 28 - 28 - 42 - 37 = 476
TOR 50 = 42 - 50 - 37 - 20 - 37 - 37 - 24 - 13 - 42 - 42 - 37 - 42 = 473
BOS 32 - 37 - 50 - 42 - 24 - 37 - 24 - 16 - 42 - 24 - 24 - 32 - 16 = 400
CHI 50 = 24 - 28 - 28 - 50 - 32 - 28 - 32 - 50 - 28 - 13 - 32 - 28 = 391
MIL 28 - 32 - 24 - 37 - 20 - 32 - 28 - 20 - 37 - 37 - 37 - 16 - 13 = 361
IND 20 - 24 - 20 - 28 - 16 - 24 - 20 - 37 - 24 - 32 - 20 - 28 - 32 = 325
CHA 50 = 13 - 16 - 16 - 13 - 13 - 16 - 32 - 13 - 20 - 16 - 24 - 20 = 262
ORL 50 = 16 - 20 - 13 - 16 - 42 - 13 - 16 - 16 - 16 - 13 - 20 - 24 = 251


West

MEM 50 - 50 - 50 - 42 - 32 - 42 - 50 - 37 - 37 - 28 - 42 - 50 - 42 = 552
UTH 42 - 42 - 37 - 32 - 42 - 50 - 28 - 24 - 42 - 32 - 37 - 32 - 37 = 477
GSW 50 = 28 - 24 - 28 - 28 - 24 - 16 - 50 - 50 - 24 - 50 - 37 - 28 = 387
NOH 20 - 32 - 42 - 50 - 13 - 32 - 32 - 20 - 28 - 42 - 28 - 28 - 20 = 387
MIN 37 - 37 - 32 - 24 - 37 - 37 - 20 - 42 - 24 - 20 - 24 - 16 - 32 = 358
PHX 50 = 32 - 28 - 24 - 37 - 20 - 28 - 24 - 28 - 20 - 20 - 07 - 24 = 342
SAS 50 = 13 - 10 - 10 - 50 - 10 - 37 - 10 - 13 - 50 - 13 - 42 - 50 = 318
SAC 24 - 20 - 20 - 20 - 16 - 20 - 42 - 32 - 32 - 37 - 16 - 13 - 13 = 305
DEN 50 = 16 - 16 - 16 - 24 - 16 - 13 - 13 - 16 - 10 - 32 - 24 - 10 = 256
DAL 50 = 16 - 13 - 13 - 13 - 10 - 13 - 10 - 07 - 16 - 10 - 20 - 16 = 207
LAL 50 = 10 - 07 - 07 - 07 - 28 - 07 - 07 - 16 - 10 - 13 - 10 - 07 = 179

New York and Memphis will have a playoff to determine 'rebuild' winner. You will have your own thread to post write ups and for GMs to vote.

This is why I hate this stupid ranking system. Personally I'm very displeased with my ranking in the Win Now category because I feel people are not respecting the hot pile of garbage I started with in Toronto and the fact that right now, that team is headed for disaster. I can't think of a team in a worse situation if Chris Bosh leaves than them, whereas a team like New York has cap space to make a move. I also believe people are severely overrating New York in terms of winning a championship now, since this is my belief:

Bosh/Wade vs. Gasol/LeBron is a wash
The rest is Deron Williams, Roger Mason, Anderson Varejao, Craig Smith, Ben Wallace, Rasual Butler, Luke Ridnour, Larry Hughes vs. Jason Terry, Eddie House, Lamar Odom, Mickael Pietrus, DeJuan Blair, Samuel Dalembert, Marcus Camby

NYK has the most talented in trio in this game bar none, but if that's the reason you're just gifting them first in everything then I don't think you've read into this at all. That bench is not equipped to come out of the East especially if an injury to one of the big 3 occurs (which over the course of season, is likely). This is not to take anything away from New York, he's done a terrific job and I put him #1 overall and in the future category. I just don't think that team can come out of the East right now, not with my level of depth.

That's my personal belief, but what is absolutely ludicrous and I can't believe is the fact that someone ranked me last in "Future" category for teams that did a writeup. I would like that person to explain the ranking please, if you don't feel comfortable making it public, you can e-mail me (rahim.jaffer07@gmail.com), but I don't want to have a last place vote because of some grudge you're holding against me. Chris Bosh + Dwyane Wade is enough to guarantee me a top 6 spot IMO, and to put me last is ridiculous.

Wow.

After seeing these rankings I'll be thinking twice about participating in one of these.

No issues with my own ranking (I didn't think I deserved to be very high), but its clear that some people don't understand how this was supposed to work.

Overall

East

NYK 50 = 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 = 650
TOR 50 = 42 - 50 - 42 - 42 - 42 - 37 - 28 - 42 - 42 - 42 - 42 - 42 = 543
ORL 50 = 37 - 42 - 32 - 32 - 37 - 37 - 42 - 37 - 32 - 32 - 32 - 32 = 474
NJN 50 = 32 - 37 - 28 - 32 - 42 - 32 - 32 - 32 - 28 - 28 - 37 - 37 = 447
CHI 50 = 16 - 24 - 24 - 28 - 24 - 24 - 28 - 42 - 28 - 20 - 20 - 24 = 328
BOS 28 - 32 - 37 - 20 - 20 - 32 - 20 - 16 - 20 - 16 - 24 - 24 - 16 = 305
MIL 24 - 28 - 16 - 37 - 16 - 28 - 24 - 20 - 24 - 37 - 37 - 16 - 13 = 286
IND 20 - 20 - 20 - 16 - 28 - 20 - 16 - 37 - 16 - 24 - 16 - 20 - 28 = 281
CHA 50 = 13 - 16 - 32 - 13 - 13 - 16 - 24 - 13 - 13 - 13 - 28 - 20 = 264

West


SAS 50 = 42 - 42 - 37 - 50 - 42 - 50 - 32 - 50 - 50 - 37 - 50 - 37 = 569
MEM 50 - 50 - 32 - 32 - 42 - 50 - 42 - 20 - 28 - 32 - 32 - 42 - 50 = 502
LAL 50 = 37 - 37 - 24 - 42 - 32 - 37 - 37 - 24 - 42 - 16 - 28 - 20 = 426
UTH 32 - 32 - 42 - 50 - 28 - 32 - 20 - 37 - 32 - 24 - 28 - 32 - 42 = 389
SAC 50 = 24 - 20 - 50 - 24 - 24 - 20 - 32 - 50 - 24 - 42 - 24 - 16 = 350
DAL 50 = 16 - 13 - 37 - 28 - 13 - 13 - 24 - 28 - 28 - 42 - 20 - 28 = 340
GSW 50 = 13 - 10 - 16 - 13 - 10 - 07 - 42 - 20 - 10 - 50 - 37 - 32 = 303
DEN 50 = 28 - 13 - 16 - 20 - 28 - 16 - 13 - 37 - 20 - 20 - 24 - 13 = 298
MIN 20 - 16 - 20 - 07 - 37 - 16 - 13 - 16 - 16 - 13 - 16 - 10 - 24 = 224
PHX 50 = 28 - 24 - 07 - 10 - 10 - 24 - 10 - 07 - 13 - 13 - 07 - 10 = 213
NOH 10 - 07 - 28 - 20 - 16 - 07 - 28 - 10 - 07 - 37 - 10 - 13 - 16 = 209

New York and San Antonio will have a playoff to determine 'Over All' winner. You will have your own thread to post write ups and for GMs to vote.

bryant08 wrote:NYK has the most talented in trio in this game bar none, but if that's the reason you're just gifting them first in everything then I don't think you've read into this at all.

I will just assume you are talking to your fellow GMs since I just compiled all the rankings I was sent.

FWIW every single GM that voted picked NYC for 'Over All' (including you) with the single exception of New York's GM picking your team to finish 1st.

Took me since 2:30 this afternoon with only 2 hours break to compile this list, add up the results, and post. Glad it is done, exhales.

Snakebites wrote:Wow.

After seeing these rankings I'll be thinking twice about participating in one of these.

No issues with my own ranking (I didn't think I deserved to be very high), but its clear that some people don't understand how this was supposed to work.

Always seems to be some real screwy rankings, happens every game to some degree but I am not sure how it can be avoided. After the mini playoffs are over I will post up a 'deep thoughts' thread for GMs to give suggestions on what went well and what can be done better next go round so whomever takes over the commissioner mantle should have some good insight to roll with right from the get.

and

Definitely an eye opener to be the commish. Mad props to you skorff, I appreciate the awesome job you did last game so much more now that I got to walk in your shoes.

Thanks for the work rocdogg

Snakebites wrote:Wow.

After seeing these rankings I'll be thinking twice about participating in one of these.

No issues with my own ranking (I didn't think I deserved to be very high), but its clear that some people don't understand how this was supposed to work.

agree 100% and I am now retired from these games. What a joke!

Thanks to rocdogg for running the game.

props to rocdogg did a good job

SamBone wrote:

Snakebites wrote:Wow.

After seeing these rankings I'll be thinking twice about participating in one of these.

No issues with my own ranking (I didn't think I deserved to be very high), but its clear that some people don't understand how this was supposed to work.

agree 100% and I am now retired from these games. What a joke!

Thanks to rocdogg for running the game.

Take a game off and run the show instead, I think you could do a good job of it.

I don't know how many games it will take before we get the system ironed out so it works smoothly from start to finish but hopefully not too many.

Be sure to give input when I put up the deep thoughts/suggestions for improvement thread in a few days.

after seeing the voting i have NO interest in running a game or ever playing in one again. Plain and simple.

I love the reasonings that a team of Jennings, C.Lee, Ariza, Illyasova, Blatch and Matiejuvas finished 100 points ahead of a dead lst future team of Dwight Howard, P.Patterson, A.Thornton, Morrow, Sessions, R.Sidney, and Bynum

I think Morrow and Bynum are way under rated by people that aren't familiar with them. Morrow picked up right where he left off last year and is shooting 498 from the field and 475 from downtown. Bynum can score like crazy and gets to the rim at will. Hell I might actually put him ahead of Sessions in your rotation just cuz of the better D.

It seems like star/name power is more important than fit/chemistry in too many eyes. Just cuz the refs seem to favor certain players doesn't mean we the fans have to as well. I just don't know how we will get this situated for future games. Perhaps we go with outside judges in the future as bryant08 suggested to me via email.

underrated or not, the fact that I have Dwight Howard on my team makes my future better then half the east without anyone else on my roster

SamBone wrote:underrated or not, the fact that I have Dwight Howard on my team makes my future better then half the east without anyone else on my roster

Yes, but we're going by what you started with as well.