Why I like Andrea Bargnani- An alternative perspective

ishoy123 · Post #1 » by **ishoy123** » Thu Dec 6, 2012 6:33 pm

I made the post on the Raptors board. I'll be glad of your opinions on my conclusions.

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giberish · Post #2 » by **giberish** » Thu Dec 6, 2012 10:28 pm

Looking at APM from past seasons, Bargnani routinely rates above-average on offense and bad to horrible on defense - netting below-average overall marks consistently.

Toronto's bench bigs (especially their deep bench bigs who get in the rotation when Bargnani is injured) have generally been very poor, so even as a below-average player Bargnani has some value (I don't know of a standard "replacement player level" in APM, but it's certainly well below-average and likely below-Bargnani). However, for a guy on a $10M/yr contract, and especially for a nominal face of the franchise, being slightly better than a replacement level player isn't good.

Doormatt · Post #3 » by **Doormatt** » Sat Dec 8, 2012 12:38 am

im confused youre using raw +/- to show that bargs isnt awful...? but yeah as the person above me states his RAPM is usually average on offense and negative on defense, grading him out to be a below average player overall.

but yeah i see nothing to like about bargs. hes quite possibly the worst rebounding 7 footer ive ever seen, and his defense, as far as rotating, guarding the pick n roll, and weak side help is really bad. oh yeah and the one thing hes supposed to be good at, shooting and scoring, hes not even that good at. hes average.

so we have an average scoring big who cant rebound and cant play defense in a team setting.

not sure what there is to like about that. maybe if he was an MLE player coming off the bench, but not someone i want to start at power forward and pay 10+ million dollars a year. at this point hes about as useful as antawn jamison for many teams, the difference being that jamison makes like 1 million dollars.