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The Mother of all Stats... 

Post#1 » by Bucketz_McGee » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:31 pm

What is it?

The basic box scores? PER? ASPM? SPM? xRAPM? RPM?? etc...

Or is the good ol' fashion eye test?

I do not think there is one that definitively measures the entire game of basketball.
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Post#2 » by Bucketz_McGee » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:59 am

Bucketz_McGee wrote:What is it?

The basic box scores? PER? ASPM? SPM? xRAPM? RPM?? etc...

Or is the good ol' fashion eye test?

I do not think there is one that definitively measures the entire game of basketball.
Neither do I. But I know some people prefer certain stats over others. Personally, I don't like PER as it explicitly does not include defensive stats. That is half of the game.



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Post#3 » by BombsquadSammy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:48 pm

I'm not sure there's one single stat we can ever look at to tell us the whole story.
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Post#4 » by BombsquadSammy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:49 pm

BombsquadSammy wrote:I'm not sure there's one single stat we can ever look at to tell us the whole story.


I disagree; everything can be parsed down to a single element of information, and basketball is no different.
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Post#5 » by BombsquadSammy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:49 pm

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BombsquadSammy wrote:I'm not sure there's one single stat we can ever look at to tell us the whole story.


I disagree; everything can be parsed down to a single element of information, and basketball is no different.


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Post#6 » by euroleague » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:56 am

there is no mother. Just stats
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Post#7 » by Sark » Tue May 1, 2018 10:46 pm

The final score.
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Post#8 » by dice » Fri Jun 8, 2018 5:50 pm

Bucketz_McGee wrote:
Bucketz_McGee wrote:What is it?

The basic box scores? PER? ASPM? SPM? xRAPM? RPM?? etc...

Or is the good ol' fashion eye test?

I do not think there is one that definitively measures the entire game of basketball.
Neither do I. But I know some people prefer certain stats over others. Personally, I don't like PER as it explicitly does not include defensive stats. That is half of the game.

did you seriously just respond to yourself in the 3rd person?

PER does include defensive stats, by the way. just not sufficiently or well
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Post#9 » by Heat84 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:16 am

Definitely not +/-(for basketball players). It works great in hockey because they only play around 20 minutes a game max. Its completely useless for Lebron since he plays the whole game. Its useless for anybody who plays probably more than 36 minutes in a particular game. I don't think the person who decided to use it in the NBA completely understands how it works.
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Post#10 » by DoItALL9 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:31 pm

(Wins)
for most arguments it should be VORP probably

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Post#11 » by Wallace_Wallace » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:55 pm

dice wrote:
Bucketz_McGee wrote:
Bucketz_McGee wrote:What is it?

The basic box scores? PER? ASPM? SPM? xRAPM? RPM?? etc...

Or is the good ol' fashion eye test?

I do not think there is one that definitively measures the entire game of basketball.
Neither do I. But I know some people prefer certain stats over others. Personally, I don't like PER as it explicitly does not include defensive stats. That is half of the game.

did you seriously just respond to yourself in the 3rd person?

PER does include defensive stats, by the way. just not sufficiently or well


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Post#12 » by ILOVEIT » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:36 pm

Eye test > stats :nod:
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Post#13 » by koogiking » Sun Sep 2, 2018 7:04 pm

PPG (You said mother, PPG came first lol)
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Post#14 » by Jaqua92 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 3:00 am

BombsquadSammy wrote:
BombsquadSammy wrote:
BombsquadSammy wrote:I'm not sure there's one single stat we can ever look at to tell us the whole story.


I disagree; everything can be parsed down to a single element of information, and basketball is no different.


You guys are both wrong; it's all about finding a balance.
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Post#15 » by HeatBeast » Tue Jan 1, 2019 10:16 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:(Wins)
for most arguments it should be VORP probably

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This.

Even then, in those arguments when they're being used, VORP still needs to be taken with a grain of salt because there is no true exact stat we can solely rely on as the "mother" of all stats.

But personally, I've found myself using VORP as a solid factor when arguing for a player's impact being larger than another's.
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Post#16 » by Ken D » Wed Jan 2, 2019 4:34 pm

Best all in one stat available.

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Post#17 » by benhillboy » Thu Jan 3, 2019 3:26 am

I check WS/48 and defensive rating first. Then I check out the assist: turnover and FT and 3 point rates. I add steals, blocks, and rebounds together, relate all these numbers to his size and minutes and I can get a pretty good sense of a player. If he’s tough or soft, high IQ or Andrew Wigginsy.

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