How can you be a top 3 PG with a .480 TS%

vincecarter4pres · Post #41 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:43 am

MaxRider wrote:i'm sorry but top 3 pg on my list are CP3, Deron, and Nash
until Rondo prove he can play as good without KG+Pierce+Allen then i'll put him on the top

I guess he should go all Tanya Harding on his teammates to prove himself then.

saritasbora · Post #42 » by **saritasbora** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:50 am

Rondo's not a top 3 PG. He is a poor man's J Kidd.
J Kidd was having tripple doubles with a bunch of scrubs but Rondo has 4 HOFers in his team.

Blackmun · Post #43 » by **Blackmun** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:03 am

Patterns wrote:
Ming Kong! wrote:15apg

I don't believe 15apg is a big deal. The fact that he could get 15apg and still cause his team a victory is the problem.

Then you are an idiot, and I completely understand why you don't rate him higher.

darth_federer wrote:They re all great pgs who help their team win. Why are people so hang up about rankings? I think Rose is a better scorer and an athlete while Rondo is a better passer and defender. Rose has the bigger upside and could become a superstar.

Rose has no upside, what you see right now is what you get. Which is a pretty good player, don't get me wrong. But nothing about his game is going to significantly change at this point.

richboy · Post #44 » by **richboy** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:14 am

MaxRider wrote:i'm sorry but top 3 pg on my list are CP3, Deron, and Nash
until Rondo prove he can play as good without KG+Pierce+Allen then i'll put him on the top

He averaged 17 and 10 and 10 and 3 in the playoffs when KG was injured and Ray Allen shooting 40% in the playoffs.

Patterns · Post #45 » by **Patterns** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:59 am

realball wrote:
The Rondo Show wrote:Rondo's had a TS% of .540+ the last 2 seasons. Just because he's been a .480 TS% for 10 games doesn't make him a .480 TS% guy, just like being a 15 assist per game guy for 10 games doesn't actually make him one. It's called a small sample size. You'll find a lot of odd stats when you deal with 10 game sample sizes.

+1

The OP has no idea what he is talking about.

"Rondo won't fit in the triangle offense, so he's terrible PG!!!"

Read my posts. I used the Lakers as an example. There are many teams that Rondo won't be good in. To be a top 5 or 3 PG, you should be good in any system.

rendezvousness · Post #46 » by **rendezvousness** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:14 am

by the time rondos in his prime he should have a jump shot. hes basically a jumper away from being the best pg

Agenda42 · Post #47 » by **Agenda42** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:26 am

Rondo shot a perfectly acceptable .540 TS% last season. I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo's current shooting and assisting pace both regressed to the mean as the season goes on.

That said, it's pretty easy to be a top 3 PG who can't shoot. Just ask Jason Kidd.

BubbaTee · Post #48 » by **BubbaTee** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:39 am

7seventynine9 wrote:Watch the games, and you'll agree hes a top 3 pg.

Watch the Hornets, Jazz, and Suns and you won't.

Patterns · Post #49 » by **Patterns** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:01 am

BubbaTee wrote:
7seventynine9 wrote:Watch the games, and you'll agree hes a top 3 pg.

Watch the Hornets, Jazz, and Suns and you won't.

+ OKC, CHI

Patterns · Post #50 » by **Patterns** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:01 am

BubbaTee wrote:
7seventynine9 wrote:Watch the games, and you'll agree hes a top 3 pg.

Watch the Hornets, Jazz, and Suns and you won't.

+ OKC, CHI, maybe even WSH

calamity · Post #51 » by **calamity** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:45 am

yawn...this argument again? :roll:

I guess it was due about this time.

eta...and you know its just hate when somebody has to bring up some overrated advanced stat to try to discredit him at a time where he is doing exceptional.

beantownski · Post #52 » by **beantownski** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:33 am

i can't believe how people don't get just how good rondo is. the whole it's all his teammates arguement is so played out and just flat out wrong. watch the games people!!! people who bring up harris and nelson in the same tier as rondo need to stop posting. you're making a fool of yourself.

BadWolf · Post #53 » by **BadWolf** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:43 am

I guess Patterns, the Lakers fan, thinks Boston has the best team of all times as a **** PG like Rondo, who costs them those rare games they lose, can average 15 apg

AussieBuck · Post #54 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:00 pm

The Rondo Show wrote:Rondo's had a TS% of .540+ the last 2 seasons. Just because he's been a .480 TS% for 10 games doesn't make him a .480 TS% guy, just like being a 15 assist per game guy for 10 games doesn't actually make him one. It's called a small sample size. You'll find a lot of odd stats when you deal with 10 game sample sizes.

This. Richard Jefferson has a 70TS% currently, Matt Bonner's is even higher.

YFZblu · Post #55 » by **YFZblu** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:11 pm

BubbaTee wrote:
7seventynine9 wrote:Watch the games, and you'll agree hes a top 3 pg.

Watch the Hornets, Jazz, and Suns and you won't.

This...+Bulls

His overall production is off the charts in terms of rebounding, causing disruption to an opposing offense, passing, etc...But IMO he doesn't take over a game consistently enough to be considered with Paul, Williams, Nash, Rose who literally put their respective teams on their back every night. Does Rondo even play in crunch time? Last I saw, the Celts were throwing Robinson in at that time because Rondo can't hit the easiest shot in the game, the free throw.

I really like Rondo, and his stats are bonkers....But really? On par with Nash, Paul, Williams, Rose? Absolutely not. However, I agree that anyone mentioning him in the same breath as Harris and Nelson are crazy as well. He's significantly better than those two, and it isn't close.

lukekarts · Post #56 » by **lukekarts** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:21 pm

Rondo is a guy that needs really good team-mates to have an impact.

With CP3, Deron, Rose, Nash - all those guys will have a huge impact on any team.

Rondo's shooting is a limitation that is covered up in Boston. He's a great playmaker, arguably the 4th best playmaker in the league, but put him on a team like the Clippers and he wouldn't make much difference.

QBF · Post #57 » by **QBF** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:52 pm

There is more to understanding a player's value than stats. Watch a Celtics game, and you realize that he's the best player on that team and makes that team tick.

BadWolf · Post #58 » by **BadWolf** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:03 pm

why is he arguablly the 4th best playmaker in the league?

Thugonomics · Post #59 » by **Thugonomics** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:04 pm

OP Confirmed for not knowing basketball

ocker · Post #60 » by **ocker** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:13 pm

Rondo stats are rather interesting. The TS% is terrible currently, but the assists are at a all time peak. So through his stats you could argue either way.

A fair amount of these assists are from simple passes to jump shooters (Ray, KG etc) however it takes watching a game to show good he is as people have mentioned. He often passes to where a player will be ive noticed. Also possesions when Rondo gets the ball directly after the rebound look much better for the celtics. Also shaq looks about 10 times better when Rondo is on the court with him. Celtics Shaq >>> Cavs Shaq.

The disruption Rondo brings is also very underated by many people. Teams never seem comfortable when he is around and he is often bothering somebody.

In my opinion Rondo is a 3/4th best point guard in the league. He is close with Nash and due to his defence i would give him the edge 6 out of 10 times.