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FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:10 pm
by poopdamoop
People always use total free throws drawn to measure if someone gets superstar treatment or not, but they rarely seem to take into account how much those players actually have the ball. If LBJ or Durant take 20 shots a game, of course they're gonna get more calls than someone only taking 10 shots a game, just based on the number of possessions they use. I feel like FT/FGA ratio is a better way of determining which players actually get calls when they drive to the basket.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/fta-fga

Obviously some players have skewed ratings due to intentional fouls, but its interesting to see some of the players that are ranked so highly.

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:58 pm
by granger05
I agree that this is a better metric than just FTA, but even this doesn't show "superstar treatement." Some players are going to be more aggressive than others and get more calls. I wish that this link allowed for filtering out the players below a certain number of attempts. There' s a lot of noise at the top of the list from role players who don't take many shots but got to the line a bit this season. It would be nice to filter down to just the guys getting the lion's share of the shots.

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:01 pm
by Tommy Gun
Wow at James Harden...
There isn't a guard/wing even close to him

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:39 pm
by FlipTSO
Also non-calls on defense need to be accounted for. Stars are allowed to manhandle opponents on defense because it results in steals that turn into highlight reel fastbreak dunks. The NBA loves those.

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:40 pm
by FlipTSO
Tommy Gun wrote:Wow at James Harden...
There isn't a guard/wing even close to him


The Harden treatment from the refs is mind-boggling. A 3rd year 6th man, who avg 17 ppg, getting treated like Michael Jordan defies all logic and reason.

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:15 pm
by JordansBulls
poopdamoop wrote:People always use total free throws drawn to measure if someone gets superstar treatment or not, but they rarely seem to take into account how much those players actually have the ball. If LBJ or Durant take 20 shots a game, of course they're gonna get more calls than someone only taking 10 shots a game, just based on the number of possessions they use. I feel like FT/FGA ratio is a better way of determining which players actually get calls when they drive to the basket.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/fta-fga

Obviously some players have skewed ratings due to intentional fouls, but its interesting to see some of the players that are ranked so highly.

Well it also depends on how many fouls get called on you as well.

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:53 am
by og15
FlipTSO wrote:
Tommy Gun wrote:Wow at James Harden...
There isn't a guard/wing even close to him


The Harden treatment from the refs is mind-boggling. A 3rd year 6th man, who avg 17 ppg, getting treated like Michael Jordan defies all logic and reason.

Some guys just know how to draw fouls. Maggette for example is notorious as a foul drawer, he averaged 6.9 FTA/36 as a rookie, 7.6/36 as a sophomore, career low 5.6 in his third season, hasn't had less than 7.3/36 since then and has gone 9 straight seasons with 8.4 or more. In those first three seasons, he took no more than 12.9 FGA/36.

Yes, it is true that people do neglect the fact that the guys that have the ball the most and take the most shots will also generally attempt the most FT's, but it doesn't necessarily mean they draw fouls more often than some other guys when they actually have the ball, they just have more opportunity.

FlipTSO wrote:Also non-calls on defense need to be accounted for. Stars are allowed to manhandle opponents on defense because it results in steals that turn into highlight reel fastbreak dunks. The NBA loves those.

I can understand wanting more steals for get more fastbreak dunks, but how is that related to stars? They can accomplish that without anything related to stars.

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:34 am
by giberish
FlipTSO wrote:Also non-calls on defense need to be accounted for. Stars are allowed to manhandle opponents on defense because it results in steals that turn into highlight reel fastbreak dunks. The NBA loves those.


It's more - stars sitting on the bench in foul trouble isn't great for ratings/fan interest.

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:49 am
by lorak
why it's FT MADE/FG ATTEMPS ration? Shouldn't it be FT ATTEMPTS/FGA ratio?

Re: FT/FGA ratio

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:00 pm
by Stephen Colbert
DavidStern wrote:why it's FT MADE/FG ATTEMPS ration? Shouldn't it be FT ATTEMPTS/FGA ratio?

Perhaps it accounts for hack-a-shaq strategy? Dwight Howard may get fouled more not because of superstar calls but because the he can't make a free throw. But this is weird, I agree.