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So... I invented a stat.

It's called "Player's 13" - "P13" for short.

Here's the key:


PPG & PPG/36 (X13/X12)

Above 31 = 13
29 – 30.9 = 12
27 – 28.9 = 11
25 – 26.9 = 10
23 – 24.9 = 9
21 – 22.9 = 8
19 – 20.9 = 7
17 – 18.9 = 6
15 – 16.9 = 5
13 – 14.9 = 4
11 – 12.9 = 3
9 – 10.9 = 2
0 – 8.9 = 1

APG & APG/36 (X11/X10)

Above 14 = 13
13 – 13.9 = 12
12 – 12.9 = 11
11 – 11.9 = 10
10 – 10.9 = 9
9 – 9.9 = 8
8 – 8.9 = 7
7 – 7.9 = 6
6 – 6.9 = 5
5 – 5.9 = 4
4 – 4.9 = 3
3 – 3.9 = 2
0 – 2.9 = 1

RPG & RPG/36 (X9/X8)

Above 18 = 13
16.5 – 17.9 = 12
15 – 16.4 = 11
13.5 – 14.9 = 10
12 – 13.4 = 9
10.5 – 11.9 = 8
9 – 10.4 = 7
7.5 – 8.9 = 6
6 – 7.4 = 5
4.5 – 5.9 = 4
3 – 4.4 = 3
1.5 – 2.9 = 2
0 – 1.4 = 1

SPG & SPG/36 (X7/X6)

Above 2.8 = 13
2.6 – 2.7 = 12
2.4 – 2.5 = 11
2.2 – 2.3 = 10
2.0 – 2.1 = 9
1.8 – 1.9 = 8
1.6 – 1.7 = 7
1.4 – 1.5 = 6
1.2 – 1.3 = 5
1.0 – 1.1 = 4
0.8 – 0.9 = 3
0.6 – 0.7 = 2
0 – 0.5 = 1

BPG & BPG/36 (X5/X4)

Above 3.5 = 13
3.2 – 3.4 = 12
2.9 – 3.1 = 11
2.6 – 2.8 = 10
2.3 – 2.5 = 9
2.0 – 2.2 = 8
1.7 – 1.9 = 7
1.4 – 1.6 = 6
1.1 – 1.3 = 5
0.8 – 1.0 = 4
0.5 – 0.7 = 3
0.2 – 0.4 = 2
0 – 0.1 = 1

FG% (X3)

Above .650 = 13
.625 – .649 = 12
.600 – .624 = 11
.575 – .599 = 10
.550 – .574 = 9
.525 – .549 = 8
.500 – .524 = 7
.475 – .499 = 6
.450 – .474 = 5
.425 – .449 = 4
.400 – .424 = 3
.375 – .399 = 2
.000 – .374 = 1

3PT% (X2)

Above .420 = 13
.400 – .419 = 12
.380 – .399 = 11
.360 – .379 = 10
.340 – .359 = 9
.320 – .339 = 8
.300 – .319 = 7
.280 – .299 = 6
.260 – .279 = 5
.240 – .259 = 4
.220 – .239 = 3
.200 – .219 = 2
.000 – .199 = 1

FT% (X1)

Above .940 = 13
.900 – .939 = 12
.860 – .899 = 11
.820 – .859 = 10
.780 – .819 = 9
.740 – .779 = 8
.700 – .739 = 7
.660 – .699 = 6
.620 – .659 = 5
.580 – .619 = 4
.540 – .579 = 3
.500 – .539 = 2
.000 – .499 = 1

The total score is then divided by 91 (13+12+11+10+9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1).

So, let's say in 90-91, Jordan averages were:

31.5 ppg (30.6 ppt/36), 5.5 apg (5.4 apg/36), 6.0 rpg (5.8 rpg/36), 2.7 spg (2.6 spg/36), 1.0 bpg (1.0 bpg/36), .539 FG%, .312 3P%, .851 FT%

So, using the key above, you can take Jordan's stats and plug them in. Apply this value system:

PPG - X13
PPG/36 - X12
APG - X11
APG/36 - X10
RPG - X9
RPG/36 - X8
SPG - X7
SPG/36 - X6
BPG - X5
BPG/36 - X4
FG% - X3
3P% - X2
FT% - X1

So...

Jordan's 90-91 looks like this:

PPG - 13 X 13 = 169
PPG/36 - 12 X 12 = 144
APG - 11 X 4 = 44
APG/36 - 10 X 4 = 40
RPG - 9 X 5 = 45
RPG/36 - 8 X 4 = 32
SPG - 7 X 12 = 84
SPG/36 - 6 X 12 = 72
BPG - 5 X 4 = 20
BPG/36 - 4 X 4 = 16
FG% - 3 X 8 = 24
3P% - 2 X 7 = 14
FT% - 1 X 10 = 10

TOTAL = 714

714 / 91 = 7.85

Jordan 90/91 = 7.85

The whole point of inventing a advanced stat was to match my eye test... and this one does. Here are some players/seasons:

Michael Jordan 88/89 - 8.60
Kareem Abdul Jabbar 75/76 - 8.08
Michael Jordan 90/91 - 7.85
Chris Paul 08/09 - 7.60
Dwyane Wade 08/09 - 7.59
Magic Johnson 86/87 - 7.58
Larry Bird 84/85 - 7.52
John Stockton 89/90 - 7.39
Larry Bird 87/88 - 7.37
Isiah Thomas 84/85 - 7.37
Rick Barry 74/75 - 7.35
Hakeem Olajuwan 94/95 - 7.32
LeBron James 12/13 - 7.19
Tracy McGrady 02/03 - 7.00
Clyde Drexler 87/88 - 6.99
Kevin Garnett 03/04 - 6.96
Kobe Bryant 02/03 - 6.96
Karl Malone 89/90 - 6.92
Charles Barkley 92/93 - 6.82
Scottie Pippen 94/95 - 6.82
Shaquille O'Neal 99/00 - 6.80
Patrick Ewing 89/90 - 6.73
Larry Bird 83/84 - 6.68
Kevin Durant 12/13 - 6.53
Allen Iverson 00/01 - 6.40
Russell Westbrook 10/11 - 6.38
Dwight Howard 10/11 - 6.37
Grant Hill 96/97 - 6.36
Russell Westbrook 12/13 - 6.35
Bill Walton 77/78 - 6.31
James Harden 12/13 - 6.12
Jason Kidd 98/99 - 6.05
Bobby Jones 76/77 - 6.03
Tim Duncan 01/02 - 6.02
Vince Carter 00/01 - 5.92
Derrick Rose 10/11 - 5.85
Rajon Rondo 12/13 - 5.73
Monta Ellis 10/11 - 5.73
Stephen Curry 12/13 - 5.58
Andrei Kirilenko 03/04 - 5.49
Steve Nash 05/06 - 5.46
Carmelo Anthony 12/13 - 5.37
Dirk Nowitzki 06/07 - 5.36
Blake Griffin 10/11 - 5.33
Jrue Holiday 12/13 - 5.29
Tony Parker 12/13 - 5.18

Obviously this isn't the ONLY stat I use in discussions/arguments for best player ever or best player season-to-season or even player's impact on their team.

But the stat does show LeBron is #1, Durant #2, and everyone who we all agree is Top 10 or so are up there. There aren't any big shockers.

It's a stat that is weighted, partially, by the Bill Russell/Pepsi quote: "This game is, and always has been, about buckets." That's a paraphrase.

But I weighted PPG highest. And I wanted to look at the impact of players like Ricky Rubio who are really good players, but play under 36 minutes per contest. So he actually shows up with a higher P13 than, let's say, Deron Williams... which matches MY eye test, and not too many other people's.

I created an excel sheet to facilitate the process faster. You might want to do the same if you want to tinker with the stat.

So, please let me know your thoughts.

I just ran Heat vs. Spurs starting lineups throughout the year. So, it's the combined P13's from each team's starting lineup (for the majority of the season). Interesting...

Heat (LeBron, DWade, Haslem, Chalmers, Bosh)

vs.

Spurs (Duncan, Splitter, Parker, Green, Leonard)

Heat = 22.88
Spurs = 21.60

I also ran some of the all-time greats best seven-consecutive-year stretches. Here's what I found:

Michael Jordan 86-93 = 8.01
John Stockton 87-94 = 7.16
Larry Bird 81-88 = 7.14
Hakeem Olajuwan 88-95 = 7.13
Magic Johnson 83-90 = 7.10
LeBron James 06-13 = 7.01
Dwyane Wade 04-11 = 6.59
Charles Barkley 86-93 = 6.59
Karl Malone 88-95 = 6.47
Shaquille O'Neal 96-03 = 6.36
Kevin Garnett 00-07 = 6.19
Kobe Bryant 03-10 = 6.11
Scottie Pippen 91-98 = 5.99
Tim Duncan 98-05 = 5.91
Dwight Howard 06-13 = 5.78
Steve Nash 04-11 = 5.47

I like the stat, I'd be interested to see it along player development curves to see if it has prospective application,

So you value PPG much more than the percentages I guess?

Just saw this... I like it. Did a test run with David Robinsons 2nd season in the NBA and got 7.07 ... Will do others.

JR Smith: 4.05
Greivas Vasquez: 4.55
Goran Dragic: 4.77
Gerald Wallace: 3.01

flashwade33 wrote:So you value PPG much more than the percentages I guess?

Yes. Basketball is about buckets.

It needed to be weighted in some way.

Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant never had high FG%... but they were/are volume scorers. I didn't want to penalize all-time greats like those two.

I also didn't want to have guys like Jason Smith coming up with the best P13, like with Hollinger's PER.

I have still yet to find a Player's 13 that is REALLY surprising. It has, so far, been pretty accurate on the 'eye test.'

DHodgkins wrote:JR Smith: 4.05
Greivas Vasquez: 4.55
Goran Dragic: 4.77
Gerald Wallace: 3.01

Nice. Thanks for running those guys.

Those P13's look good.

I wonder what Gerald Wallace's P13 would be in his prime... I'll run it. His best year (05-06 CHA): 5.59. In 09-10 CHA, it's: 4.78. Which look good. 05-06 for Wallace, he was in his defensive (and physical) prime, averaging 2.5 spg and 2.1 bpg.

KuruptedCav wrote:I like the stat, I'd be interested to see it along player development curves to see if it has prospective application,

That's great thinking.

My guess would be for guys like LeBron, his P13 would go up every year from his rookie season and peak and level off about four years ago.

You could even apply this to college guys. And I'm sure a team like Cleveland did something similar based on their pick of Bennett (over Noel, McLemore, etc).