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Curious to know if there are any stats out there that can evaluate what players have the best value for their contracts.

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of WS/Salary or something basic like that.

For the Toronto Raptors it would be

J. Valanciunas (6.4/3.7) = 1.7
K. Lowry (6.4/12) = 0.53
L. Williams (5.2/5.4) = 0.96
P. Paterson (5.0/5.8) = 0.86
A. Johnson (4.1/7.0) = 0.58
J. Johnson (3.6/2.5) = 1.4
G. Vasquez (2.1/6.4) = 0.3
D. DeRozan (2/9.5) = 0.21

As a raptors fan, there is no doubt that James Johnson, JV on his rookie deal, and Lou Williams have been the best value on the team. DeMar has been terrible this year and this calculation proves this.

sweetcity wrote:Curious to know if there are any stats out there that can evaluate what players have the best value for their contracts.

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of WS/Salary or something basic like that.

For the Toronto Raptors it would be

J. Valanciunas (6.4/3.7) = 1.7
K. Lowry (6.4/12) = 0.53
L. Williams (5.2/5.4) = 0.96
P. Paterson (5.0/5.8) = 0.86
A. Johnson (4.1/7.0) = 0.58
J. Johnson (3.6/2.5) = 1.4
G. Vasquez (2.1/6.4) = 0.3
D. DeRozan (2/9.5) = 0.21

As a raptors fan, there is no doubt that James Johnson, JV on his rookie deal, and Lou Williams have been the best value on the team. DeMar has been terrible this year and this calculation proves this.

I don't think they have numbers for this season, but godismyjudgeok.com had aspm and corp for last year that incorporated some sort of salary earned estimate, though I forget how it worked. Its worth a look.

bondom34 wrote:

sweetcity wrote:Curious to know if there are any stats out there that can evaluate what players have the best value for their contracts.

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of WS/Salary or something basic like that.

For the Toronto Raptors it would be

J. Valanciunas (6.4/3.7) = 1.7
K. Lowry (6.4/12) = 0.53
L. Williams (5.2/5.4) = 0.96
P. Paterson (5.0/5.8) = 0.86
A. Johnson (4.1/7.0) = 0.58
J. Johnson (3.6/2.5) = 1.4
G. Vasquez (2.1/6.4) = 0.3
D. DeRozan (2/9.5) = 0.21

As a raptors fan, there is no doubt that James Johnson, JV on his rookie deal, and Lou Williams have been the best value on the team. DeMar has been terrible this year and this calculation proves this.

I don't think they have numbers for this season, but godismyjudgeok.com had aspm and corp for last year that incorporated some sort of salary earned estimate, though I forget how it worked. Its worth a look.

um, ya.... thats a sketchy religious site, I dont think so

sweetcity wrote:

bondom34 wrote:

sweetcity wrote:Curious to know if there are any stats out there that can evaluate what players have the best value for their contracts.

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of WS/Salary or something basic like that.

For the Toronto Raptors it would be

J. Valanciunas (6.4/3.7) = 1.7
K. Lowry (6.4/12) = 0.53
L. Williams (5.2/5.4) = 0.96
P. Paterson (5.0/5.8) = 0.86
A. Johnson (4.1/7.0) = 0.58
J. Johnson (3.6/2.5) = 1.4
G. Vasquez (2.1/6.4) = 0.3
D. DeRozan (2/9.5) = 0.21

As a raptors fan, there is no doubt that James Johnson, JV on his rookie deal, and Lou Williams have been the best value on the team. DeMar has been terrible this year and this calculation proves this.

I don't think they have numbers for this season, but godismyjudgeok.com had aspm and corp for last year that incorporated some sort of salary earned estimate, though I forget how it worked. Its worth a look.

um, ya.... thats a sketchy religious site, I dont think so

Oops, check the link on the left side that says dstats....its a stats site as well, I've never looked at their home page til now, sorry!

sweetcity wrote:Curious to know if there are any stats out there that can evaluate what players have the best value for their contracts.

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of WS/Salary or something basic like that.

For the Toronto Raptors it would be

J. Valanciunas (6.4/3.7) = 1.7
K. Lowry (6.4/12) = 0.53
L. Williams (5.2/5.4) = 0.96
P. Paterson (5.0/5.8) = 0.86
A. Johnson (4.1/7.0) = 0.58
J. Johnson (3.6/2.5) = 1.4
G. Vasquez (2.1/6.4) = 0.3
D. DeRozan (2/9.5) = 0.21

As a raptors fan, there is no doubt that James Johnson, JV on his rookie deal, and Lou Williams have been the best value on the team. DeMar has been terrible this year and this calculation proves this.

First you have to decide what you think is the 'best' all in one stat (or a combo of those stats). There's obviously still debate on this. Many consider WS to be fundamentally flawed. Then you'd want to do something like value over replacement player or wins over replacement player scaled to salary over replacement (figuring a replacement player is on a min salary deal).

giberish wrote:

sweetcity wrote:Curious to know if there are any stats out there that can evaluate what players have the best value for their contracts.

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of WS/Salary or something basic like that.

For the Toronto Raptors it would be

J. Valanciunas (6.4/3.7) = 1.7
K. Lowry (6.4/12) = 0.53
L. Williams (5.2/5.4) = 0.96
P. Paterson (5.0/5.8) = 0.86
A. Johnson (4.1/7.0) = 0.58
J. Johnson (3.6/2.5) = 1.4
G. Vasquez (2.1/6.4) = 0.3
D. DeRozan (2/9.5) = 0.21

As a raptors fan, there is no doubt that James Johnson, JV on his rookie deal, and Lou Williams have been the best value on the team. DeMar has been terrible this year and this calculation proves this.

First you have to decide what you think is the 'best' all in one stat (or a combo of those stats). There's obviously still debate on this. Many consider WS to be fundamentally flawed. Then you'd want to do something like value over replacement player or wins over replacement player scaled to salary over replacement (figuring a replacement player is on a min salary deal).

Agree with you completely that VORP is probably the way to do. Three complicating factors:

1) "replacement". Replacement, as it is often set to a player who you can readily pick up for a short term contract from D-League, is actually too low of a level. Short term contract guys aren't going to be put in positions where they will win or lose a team games. Teams take flyers on younger guys to get better acquainted with their games. They are biased toward younger players who might have a bit of upside. If the object is to get the best guy right now there are players who are better than younger D-Leaguers who are readily available at league min. Not a ton better, but somewhere between 0.5 and 1.5 pts per 100 poss better.

2) the relationship between salary and player level (neutral with respect to player age/contract scale) is not linear, ie, a player with a 4 VORP will get more than 4x the salary of a 1 VORP player. The latter group is 10x more common than the former. Good players will be the ones who tip you to a title. The lesser guys are acquired for fit.

3) Max contracts. They just screw everything up because it places a ceiling on the best players. guys who would make even more because their true on-court value exceeds the cap.