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New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:25 pm
by rrravenred
Can't speak for methodology, analysis or presentation, but some diligent RealGM poster (SCassell19) has put this site up, containing some per-game metrics (for Milwaukee only at this stage) sorted by referee.

http://www.nbarefstats.com/

This is certainly statistics with an agenda, but a bigger dataset including other teams might allow greater objective scrutiny of referee performance without resorting to "OMG WE WUZ ROBBED!" He's also asking for input to the site...

Re: New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:03 am
by Jimmy76
wow :o

edit: dunno how accurate it is just amazed someone is actually doing this

Id love it if it was done from a less biased perspective and across the whole NBA. Using objective data too and not "questionable win" type stuff. Over a couple years I imagine the trend of a paticular ref not giving calls to a paticular player would come out if it exsisted.

Re: New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:18 am
by rrravenred
Probably too difficult to break down on a player basis, but team-by-team I can see it as a worthy endeavour.

Re: New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:59 am
by SCassell19
Jimmy76 wrote:wow :o

edit: dunno how accurate it is just amazed someone is actually doing this

Id love it if it was done from a less biased perspective and across the whole NBA. Using objective data too and not "questionable win" type stuff. Over a couple years I imagine the trend of a paticular ref not giving calls to a paticular player would come out if it exsisted.


I made the site. If you scroll under the stats you will see a key.

QUES GAMES: A QUESTIONABLE GAME IS WHERE THE WINNING TEAM SHOOTS AT LEAST 10+ MORE FTS AND THE FT DIFFERENTIAL IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE WINNING MARGIN.

All of the stats are based on a statistical criteria and not opinion.

The stats should be pretty accurate. In the process of logging FT counts from hundreds and hundreds of games its possible a mistake or two could have been made somewhere but the error margin here if any is very small because I put great care into making sure the numbers were correct.

Re: New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:44 pm
by penbeast0
The Philadelphia stat guy used to do a nice one showing referee bias toward the home team (pretty much every ref in the NBA except Mendy Rudolph if I remember with some having big swings) but I understand the NBA made him quit publishing it. Fun stuff scassell, thanks!

Re: New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:45 am
by Jimmy76
SCassell19 wrote:
Jimmy76 wrote:wow :o

edit: dunno how accurate it is just amazed someone is actually doing this

Id love it if it was done from a less biased perspective and across the whole NBA. Using objective data too and not "questionable win" type stuff. Over a couple years I imagine the trend of a paticular ref not giving calls to a paticular player would come out if it exsisted.


I made the site. If you scroll under the stats you will see a key.

QUES GAMES: A QUESTIONABLE GAME IS WHERE THE WINNING TEAM SHOOTS AT LEAST 10+ MORE FTS AND THE FT DIFFERENTIAL IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE WINNING MARGIN.

All of the stats are based on a statistical criteria and not opinion.

The stats should be pretty accurate. In the process of logging FT counts from hundreds and hundreds of games its possible a mistake or two could have been made somewhere but the error margin here if any is very small because I put great care into making sure the numbers were correct.


might just be that the Bucks dont take many fts

i dunno maybe you took that into account

interesting regardless

Re: New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:04 pm
by Percules
Ten free throws aren't that much if one team is constantly attacking the rim and manages to draw quick fouls on the other team early in the quarter. A foul equals 2 free throws, so 10 FT are just 5 fouls more for the entire game. Very possible to happen.

Re: New Stat site: Referee Stats

Posted: Sun Jan 3, 2010 6:28 pm
by montestewart
Jimmy76 wrote:
SCassell19 wrote:
Jimmy76 wrote:wow :o

edit: dunno how accurate it is just amazed someone is actually doing this

Id love it if it was done from a less biased perspective and across the whole NBA. Using objective data too and not "questionable win" type stuff. Over a couple years I imagine the trend of a paticular ref not giving calls to a paticular player would come out if it exsisted.


I made the site. If you scroll under the stats you will see a key.

QUES GAMES: A QUESTIONABLE GAME IS WHERE THE WINNING TEAM SHOOTS AT LEAST 10+ MORE FTS AND THE FT DIFFERENTIAL IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE WINNING MARGIN.

All of the stats are based on a statistical criteria and not opinion.

The stats should be pretty accurate. In the process of logging FT counts from hundreds and hundreds of games its possible a mistake or two could have been made somewhere but the error margin here if any is very small because I put great care into making sure the numbers were correct.


might just be that the Bucks dont take many fts

i dunno maybe you took that into account

interesting regardless


That could be true, but it's a system that can be employed for any game between any two teams with any three refs. If there is intentional or unintentional bias, it seems like a system that might help reveal it, regardless of any one team's tendancies.