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Is there a stat that shows missed shots off potential assist. Trying to compare some point guards around the league and one in particular has a team that can not shoot for jack. Was wondering if there was a way to measure how accurate his teammates are in making these shots. Thank you.

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Sounds like a research project for you to do. When you're watching games, keep a pad of paper in front of you and mark it down. Track 10-20 games and you might have something interesting.

That would be a REALLY interesting development...

How many assist "conversions" do each of the high-volume assist guys get, what kind of percentage are his guys shooting on those looks, what's the TS for shots off of his passes, etc...

What is the point really?

If someone misses the shot off of a pass, it is probable that the pass or setup simply wasnt very good.

MarJJMar wrote:What is the point really?

If someone misses the shot off of a pass, it is probable that the pass or setup simply wasnt very good.

It is POSSIBLE, but not PROBABLE. If a guy is bricking open jumpers, it's a lot different than handling a poor bounce pass, for example.

There needs to be a better way to evaluate playmaking than just raw APG, AST%, ORTG or even all three in tandem.

There's got to be a way to evaluate the quality of looks that a playmaker is creating for his teammates, THAT'S the point.

tsherkin wrote:

MarJJMar wrote:What is the point really?

If someone misses the shot off of a pass, it is probable that the pass or setup simply wasnt very good.

It is POSSIBLE, but not PROBABLE. If a guy is bricking open jumpers, it's a lot different than handling a poor bounce pass, for example.

There needs to be a better way to evaluate playmaking than just raw APG, AST%, ORTG or even all three in tandem.

There's got to be a way to evaluate the quality of looks that a playmaker is creating for his teammates, THAT'S the point.

I think APG does a decent job as a general indicator of playmaking ability

I dont think you can create a stat that much more accurate than that and to go beyond that its gotta be through bball knowledge and observation

Assists can be recorded far more accurately than how they're done currently. Right now there are significant variations from arena to arena and there are biases that favor some players and hurt others. When I was tracking individual defense, I worked directly from the official play-by-play and I did a mini-study of assists. My numbers suggested that assists were over-rewarded by 15-20%. And it's not a "universal" over-rewarding -- guards get a greater benefit than bigs.

For example, there was one game in which Jason Kidd made a simple ball rotation pass to the wing. His teammate caught the pass at the 3pt line, faked left, then drove down the lane and finished with a dunk. Assist to Kidd.

Later in the game, Mikki Moore made a nearly identical ball rotation pass to the wing. His teammate caught the pass at the 3pt line, faked left, then drove down the lane and finished with a dunk. No assist awarded.

I wouldn't have awarded an assist on either play but there needs to be some level of consistency.

And there are similar issues with steals...