ImageImageImageImageImage

GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22]

Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart

YOUR WINNER...

PUTTING THE MID IN MIDATLANTIC
0
No votes
DeRozan kills Wizards again
1
100%
 
Total votes: 1

payitforward
RealGM
Posts: 24,554
And1: 9,076
Joined: May 02, 2012
Location: On the Atlantic

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#81 » by payitforward » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:24 am

Tough loss. I'm not putting anything on anybody -- everybody came to play. We lost a close game on the road. No blame.
CntOutSmrtCrazy
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,480
And1: 3,506
Joined: Dec 08, 2011

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#82 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:24 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Daniel Gafford

Seventeen minutes. Ten points. Plus twelve.


Never heard from again.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,529
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#83 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:26 am

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Daniel Gafford

Seventeen minutes. Ten points. Plus twelve.


Never heard from again.


That’s definitely three times this season.

Wes Unseld Jr is not a good coach at all.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
WallToWall
Veteran
Posts: 2,795
And1: 1,002
Joined: May 20, 2010
         

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#84 » by WallToWall » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:30 am

Well, we know how to tank well. That's a positive. :-)
The last 2 mins of the game was where it was won and lost.
I abhor Silver
User avatar
TGW
RealGM
Posts: 13,336
And1: 6,705
Joined: Oct 22, 2010

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#85 » by TGW » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:30 am

I really like Wes Jr, but he’s not ready.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
CntOutSmrtCrazy
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,480
And1: 3,506
Joined: Dec 08, 2011

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#86 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:31 am

Perfect tank loss. Of this brutal 16 game stretch this was one of the more winnable games, so great to get momentum on the tank early.

Plus young guys played some good ball. Really great third quarter led be Gafford, Deni, and Goodwin. I rather watch a like game tonight than watch the same old nightmare with Beal on the floor.

With that said, Kuzma and Porzingis look like they are both gunning for contracts, they just kill ball movement with a lot of unnecessary and questionable shots.
User avatar
long suffrin' boulez fan
General Manager
Posts: 7,830
And1: 3,621
Joined: Nov 18, 2005
Location: Just above Ted's double bottom line
       

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#87 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:32 am

WUJ is a great tank commander. Lost the game by going away from big lineup. And by playing Will Barton at all. He’s just terrible.

Now, don’t get me wrong. We’re not the most talented team. But we should get more out of this group than we’re getting.
In Rizzo we trust
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,529
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#88 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:34 am

TGW wrote:I really like Wes Jr, but he’s not ready.


I don’t like a coach who hates on the wrong players. He’s definitely not ready because he prefers his stars dominate the ball instead of smartly crafting plays.

I don’t like Wes Jr. He loses winnable games. Scott Brooks was better than this coach.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,529
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#89 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:35 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:WUJ is a great tank commander. Lost the game by going away from big lineup. And by playing Will Barton at all. He’s just terrible.

Now, don’t get me wrong. We’re not the most talented team. But we should get more out of this group than we’re getting.


Totally sabotaged this game.

He’s improving the Wembegyana sweepstakes,
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
User avatar
TGW
RealGM
Posts: 13,336
And1: 6,705
Joined: Oct 22, 2010

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#90 » by TGW » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:37 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
TGW wrote:I really like Wes Jr, but he’s not ready.


I don’t like a coach who hates on the wrong players. He’s definitely not ready because he prefers his stars dominate the ball instead of smartly crafting plays.

I don’t like Wes Jr. He loses winnable games. Scott Brooks was better than this coach.


I tend to root for him because he’s a black coach, and there’s only a handful of them. But yea, I agree with you unfortunately.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,529
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#91 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:50 am

Same as I feel about Mike Locksley.

Not a good coach if wins are what you seek. Great guy. But can he coach?

I say NO.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
80sballboy
RealGM
Posts: 24,116
And1: 5,822
Joined: Jul 15, 2006
       

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#92 » by 80sballboy » Thu Dec 8, 2022 4:56 am

Good tank loss. It's tough to win when you basically have no bench and Barton has been a huge disappointment. I knew he was a chucker, but his shooting numbers were probably helped by playing with real players like Jokic, who move the ball. Defense is still rough and just not enough. Sure, kind of fun to watch w/o Beal but when the hell is Rui returning?
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,529
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#93 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 8, 2022 6:52 am

With 2:00 left and the score 105-108, Porzingis looked off a wide open Kuzma and he shot and missed a 28-foot three. That miss left him 0-5 from 3pt.

The Bulls grabbed the long rebound, fast broke and scored three points on an and-1 layup. 105-111. Six point swing.

Porzingis missed a key free throw as well.

That’s the difference in winning and losing.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
Dolevi
Senior
Posts: 556
And1: 403
Joined: Jan 07, 2021
 

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#94 » by Dolevi » Thu Dec 8, 2022 9:21 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Porzingis thought that was the best shot to take right theree, a 27 foot three point shot with players all over him.

As I've said before in this thread, he's a great talented player, with bad habits. He loves to take some very hard contested shots plus it's hard for him to make the extra passes for an open man when needed. His making decisions in offense is one of the reasons his ceiling is limited. It's like you can leave all other players to come for help, bring double / triple team, and still most of the times, he'll just take the tough shot :( Still he ended up with 4 assists, but it could be a lot more.
Just need to check how much of KP's points are un-assisted/contested and that will tell the story. No wonder he ended 0/6.

When you have a player playing for his stats and not for his team, it's easy to tell and see. KP is one of them. And you have a lot of guys like that in this team and this is why we don't have enough ball movement.

And, it's also a symptom of course for a non-coached team, with one/more players who play and think they above the team. And if that's fine by the coach, then your problem is even bigger :lol:
deneem4
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,917
And1: 1,263
Joined: Dec 26, 2012

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#95 » by deneem4 » Thu Dec 8, 2022 10:43 am

We need John wall…
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
Frichuela
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,531
And1: 3,652
Joined: Feb 25, 2015
 

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#96 » by Frichuela » Thu Dec 8, 2022 11:53 am

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:Perfect tank loss. Of this brutal 16 game stretch this was one of the more winnable games, so great to get momentum on the tank early.

Plus young guys played some good ball. Really great third quarter led be Gafford, Deni, and Goodwin. I rather watch a like game tonight than watch the same old nightmare with Beal on the floor.

With that said, Kuzma and Porzingis look like they are both gunning for contracts, they just kill ball movement with a lot of unnecessary and questionable shots.


This.100%. Without Beal the ball movement is so much better and some of the youngsters (Deni in particular) play with more assertiveness.
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,443
And1: 4,440
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#97 » by closg00 » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:00 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:WUJ is a great tank commander. Lost the game by going away from big lineup. And by playing Will Barton at all. He’s just terrible.

Now, don’t get me wrong. We’re not the most talented team. But we should get more out of this group than we’re getting.


You know how NFL teams have people viewing the game from high-up and relay real-time information to the coaches on what is and is not working? Why doesn't this apply to the NBA? Why isn't there someone is WUJ's ear telling him the big line-up was working, he seems to make this substitutions, then get's caught-up in trying to make things work with who is on the floor at the time.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,101
And1: 22,527
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#98 » by nate33 » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:38 pm

Avdija looked real good. He really contained DDR and Lavine whenever he guarded them. And those guys scored at will whenever Avdija wasn't on them. In the middle of the 4th quarter, the Bulls finally committed to running a screen to get Avdija off of DDR. They just ran a 2-man game with Caruso (guarded by Kispert) setting a screen for DeRozan. It kept forcing the switch and Kispert provided no resistance at all. That's when they regained the lead. Deni really made some sweet passes too. He should have had like 10 assists but guys kept missing easy looks that he generated.

Kispert's terrible D was the reason Wes went with Barton for longer than he probably should. At least Barton has a chance of slowing down DeRozan. Kispert was good on offense though. He made two real nice plays off the bounce, one a drive-and-kick to the corner, and another a pick-and-roll as the ball handler. Kispert doesn't usually do that. It's a nice addition to his game.

Kuzma was really good on the open floor, attacking the rim. But he's gotta calm down with that wanna-be Magic Johnson thing when he posts up and tries to whip a cross-court pass. It's a turnover more than half the time.

Porzingis has made 1 of his last 18 3-point attempts. I don't mind that he shoots them - the threat of the 3-ball is one of the things that opens up spacing for everyone else. I just wish he'd be a little more judicious with his attempts. A 28-footer, early in the shot clock, when your feet aren't even set, is a bad shot.

I still don't like Morris that much as a starter. His numbers are solid, but his bad defense and inability to generate something out of nothing really hurt the team. You can't be a 6-2 poor defender without bringing anything to the table except the ability to hit an open shot on low usage. If we had a better defender in that role, it would be easier to hide Kispert on defense.

It would be nice if someone on the team other than Kispert could hit a 3.
dobrojim
RealGM
Posts: 16,815
And1: 4,047
Joined: Sep 16, 2004

Re: GT #25: Bullets @ Bulls 8 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [12/7/22] 

Post#99 » by dobrojim » Thu Dec 8, 2022 8:41 pm

I tried to post something last night but my iPad sometimes resets itself in the middle of
composing a post. Very frustrating. And with all the popup ads it's really balky to type on.

IIRC, what I was going to say it that we used a familiar formula to lose that game.
mediocre FT shooting (again) only this time we combined it with a eff-ton of TOs,
many seemingly unforced.

I'm becoming fickle about KP. He just seems too inefficient in a lot of games for
for a guy that plays the 5 (mostly). And there have been too many off nights where
he's jacking 28 ft 3s and missing 70-80% of them. CM is/was arguably correct calling Beal our
best player. But he (CM) still struggles to describe seemingly simple ****, like the score.
And CWS remains highly preferable IMO over Drew.

It really seems to me like we ought to be running more plays to get Kispert good looks.
He took only 8 shots. If we have to endure his subpar D, we should take better advantage
of the things he does do well, shoot and cut.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities

Return to Washington Wizards