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Who Should Be the Next GM??

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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#261 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 12:04 am

NatP4 wrote:Let’s gooooooooooo

Do we really need 3 executives to draft one player a year and manage 15 guys? I always wonder how these guys fill their days lol
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Post#262 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 12:06 am

Is Antoine Jamison still on staff?
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#263 » by NatP4 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 12:22 am

Jay81 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Let’s gooooooooooo

Do we really need 3 executives to draft one player a year and manage 15 guys? I always wonder how these guys fill their days lol


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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#264 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 6, 2023 1:14 am

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payitforward wrote:As to Dawkins making the draft decisions... IMO, OKC has been up & down in the draft over the last 5 years

2018: up -- with the #11 pick they took SGA, one of the best guards in the league, then got Diallo from Charlotte in R2 (in return for a late R2 pick i 2019)

IIRC they got SGA from the Clippers in the Paul George deal. Still a smart trade though.

You are correct -- my bad.

In all, I'm not particularly impressed with OKC's drafting in the last 5 years -- although for sure they hit a home run w/ Jalen Williams.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#265 » by doclinkin » Tue Jun 6, 2023 2:15 am

payitforward wrote:
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payitforward wrote:As to Dawkins making the draft decisions... IMO, OKC has been up & down in the draft over the last 5 years

2018: up -- with the #11 pick they took SGA, one of the best guards in the league, then got Diallo from Charlotte in R2 (in return for a late R2 pick i 2019)

IIRC they got SGA from the Clippers in the Paul George deal. Still a smart trade though.

You are correct -- my bad.

In all, I'm not particularly impressed with OKC's drafting in the last 5 years -- although for sure they hit a home run w/ Jalen Williams.



I don't see why not since they are following your recipe to a T. They are hoarding picks on the idea that may miss on many but eventually will hit on one. Seems to me you'd be celebrating the philosophy, even if you are a bit sour they traded away Brandon Clarke. :clown:

Anyway, sounds like Schlenk will be in charge of talent evaluation. Dawkin's job will be to deliver him the picks, shape the team and concept, and Winger will manage the cap and contract negotiations.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#266 » by WallToWall » Tue Jun 6, 2023 2:20 am

Jay81 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Let’s gooooooooooo

Do we really need 3 executives to draft one player a year and manage 15 guys? I always wonder how these guys fill their days lol

In a league where successful teams have structures such as this, it is hard to argue on not having one. Especially since we’ve tried the mom-and-pop structure for the last 40 years, and it didn’t work.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#267 » by 9 and 20 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 3:20 am

WallToWall wrote:
Jay81 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Let’s gooooooooooo

Do we really need 3 executives to draft one player a year and manage 15 guys? I always wonder how these guys fill their days lol

In a league where successful teams have structures such as this, it is hard to argue on not having one. Especially since we’ve tried the mom-and-pop structure for the last 40 years, and it didn’t work.


Yep, 100%. It's kinda nuts - a few years ago, Terd fired Grundle and then put on a big show about doing tons of interviews, getting Obama to weigh in on the next hire, etc. All that to end up with Sashi Brown who didn't do much of anything in DC except hunt a job with the Ravens, and Tommy, Grundle's disciple and favorite nephew. This time around, Terd ran silent and hired some impressive guys. Hopefully Terd has learned his lesson about chirping at fans angry about the only wins for the Wiz being in the urinal cake game.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#268 » by badinage » Tue Jun 6, 2023 3:45 am

payitforward wrote:
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80sballboy wrote:Ted must have had a lobotomy or a re-awakening. Good for him. Now, the only question is who will make the final decision on the draft picks. It sounds like Winger on the deals and the fiscal stuff and that Dawkins is the main guy to select players over Schlenk.

Winger was handling legal and administrative in his previous stops. I don’t really see him being involved too much with personnel.

He was involved in personnel in the sense of being a driver of deals -- but seemingly not in the sense of talent decisions.

As to Dawkins making the draft decisions... IMO, OKC has been up & down in the draft over the last 5 years

2018: up -- with the #11 pick they took SGA, one of the best guards in the league, then got Diallo from Charlotte in R2 (in return for a late R2 pick i 2019).

2019: I didn't like this draft much for the Thunder. They had the #21 pick & traded it to Memphis, who picked Brandon Clarke, in return for the #23, with which they took Darius Bazley, plus & a R2 pick in 2024. They did sign Luguentz Dort undrafted.

2020: OKC took Immanuel Quickley at 25. They had the #28 from the Lakers. They traded both picks to get 17, which they used on Pokusevski -- a swing for the fences! I would have rather seen them keep the picks & draft Quickley & either Desmond Bane or Xavier Tillman.

2021: OKC had an excellent draft! At 6 they nabbed Josh Giddy. They traded the #16 pick to Houston for 2 future R1 picks (1 of them being the protected pick we'd sent to Houston in the Wall trade), then at 18 they picked Tre Mann. So far, he hasn't worked out. They traded #s 34 & 36 to the Knicks for #32 & took Jeremiah Robinson-Earl. So far not all that great except for Giddy. But, then, at 55 they took Aaron Wiggins, who has turned to be a terrific player.

In 2022, of course, we know they took Jalen Williams with #12 -- an outstanding move! Then, just to confuse everybody, they took Jaylin Williams at 34.


And don’t forget Holmgren!

Anyway, this is a terrific scorecard. Are you kidding me?

A trade for SGA.

Acquiring the Rookie of the Year runner-up in Jalen Williams — at the back end of the lottery.

Nabbing Holmgren.

Finding Dort — a diamond in a trash heap.

Getting Giddey — one of the best young playmakers in the world, at 6.

Picking up Wiggins, who nobody thought could ball at this level.

Robinson-Earl, Pokusevski, Bazley— all very decent role players. Bazley has even started. So has Jaylin Williams.

That’s 10 very decent to great players! In 5 years!

IF THE WIZARDS HAD DONE THAT, DAWKINS, WINGER, and SCHLENK WOULDN’T BE HERE.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#269 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 3:59 am

I think Ted looked at ovies and the caps roster....took a big gulp and said...so yea about my nba team.....

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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#270 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jun 6, 2023 4:33 am

payitforward wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:As to Dawkins making the draft decisions... IMO, OKC has been up & down in the draft over the last 5 years

2018: up -- with the #11 pick they took SGA, one of the best guards in the league, then got Diallo from Charlotte in R2 (in return for a late R2 pick i 2019)

IIRC they got SGA from the Clippers in the Paul George deal. Still a smart trade though.

You are correct -- my bad.

In all, I'm not particularly impressed with OKC's drafting in the last 5 years -- although for sure they hit a home run w/ Jalen Williams.


Josh Giddey. Jaylen Williams, and Jaylin Williams. Jury is out on Chet. Got Dort undrafted. But they have had some weird ones like trading out of picks like Quickley, Sengun, Brandon Clarke, and the great Cassius Winston.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#271 » by WallToWall » Tue Jun 6, 2023 5:08 am

Kanyewest wrote:
payitforward wrote:
doclinkin wrote:IIRC they got SGA from the Clippers in the Paul George deal. Still a smart trade though.

You are correct -- my bad.

In all, I'm not particularly impressed with OKC's drafting in the last 5 years -- although for sure they hit a home run w/ Jalen Williams.


Josh Giddey. Jaylen Williams, and Jaylin Williams. Jury is out on Chet. Got Dort undrafted. But they have had some weird ones like trading out of picks like Quickley, Sengun, Brandon Clarke, and the great Cassius Winston.


Lots of draft picks = lots of "swings at the ball" = many more "hits and misses".
You just need a few "hits" to make a good and young team with lots of potential/up-side. The "misses" will be forgotten.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#272 » by TGW » Tue Jun 6, 2023 6:07 am

The only player they missed out on was Sengun, who seems like a perfect fit in OKC.

And lol at Brandon Clarke being a miss. That guy can be had for a pair of seconds. Not a miss at all.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#273 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jun 6, 2023 1:44 pm

TGW wrote:The only player they missed out on was Sengun, who seems like a perfect fit in OKC.

And lol at Brandon Clarke being a miss. That guy can be had for a pair of seconds. Not a miss at all.


I think his value was higher before his Achilles injury.
Rui was had for 3 2nd rounders.

Overall, OKC may have the worst centers in the league. Although it may be done by design with the intention to tank.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#274 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 6, 2023 2:07 pm

Ted really paying all these guys?

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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#275 » by montestewart » Wed Jun 7, 2023 11:46 am

Jay81 wrote:Ted really paying all these guys?

https://www.nba.com/wizards/staff-directory

That’s why he needs that play in game.
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Re: Who Should Be the Next GM?? 

Post#276 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 12:14 pm

I'm happy teds breaking out the piggy bank .

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