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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#141 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:22 pm

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yungal07 wrote:Up...

To answer the original question -- obviously not. He just got screwed on minutes by EJ and Tankscott. Not playing him last year in a 19-win season was just stupid and shortsighted by the Wizards coaching staff.

He's been pretty solid in Minnesota when given a chance. Not to say he would have had an opportunity to play here, but it's a shame he didn't get a chance given our situation.


Just to show you how stupid Tankscott is, had Tankscott played Pech evenly modestly during last-years "lost season", Pech could have shown then what he has been able to do now for Minny - be a decent but not great back-up big w/shooting ability; we then could have been in a stronger position to demand Minny's 28th pick or at-least a 2nd rounder in next-years draft. Remember is it Tankscott who is in-charge of "Player Development". I loath the man :evil:


closq, all I have to add is Tapscott was Ernie's guy. Fired EJ and put in Tapscott, who promptly developed the young guys by making sure he played Jamison the fourth-highest minutes in the league in a meaningless season, and by playing Songaila more minutes than Blatche or McGee.

Tapscott had EG's full blessings.

In the long haul, Blatche, McGee, and Pecherov are all real young guys who'll play their share of minutes. But there's no excuse for Tapscott getting Jamison all those minutes, only cut short by when he finally got hurt.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#142 » by Dat2U » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:41 pm

no D in Hibachi wrote:True, but as other posters have already mentioned there is only so much you can do with 3 young inexperienced 7-footers. Drafting Pech was a mistake from the beginning because the team had their sights on signing Songaila and had drafted Blatche a year before. The addition of McGee basically assured everyone the Pech wouldn't get PT and wouldn't be with the Wiz long-term. I'm confident that the Wiz made the right decision in choosing McGee and Blatche over Pech. I hope Pech does well, but I'm sure McGee and Blatche will do better.


Agreed. And for me it isn't one of these hindsight is 20/20 deals. I felt from the very beginning that Ernie's moves that offseason made no sense and continually blasted those decisions. Pech & Songaila were too similar IMO. And they weren't what we needed. I know doc back then had referred to EG's willingness to seek & find guys that fit the Princeton offense. But we sorely needed rebounding & interior toughness at PF, not two big guys who live and die by the jumpshot and do little else. And with Pech being a raw project who needed minutes, he was doomed to failure here with Jamison, Songaila & Blatche all capable of playing the position.

I'm not upset that Pech left and is having success. Unlike CCJ, I never saw the next Memhet Okur. I see a developing role player off the bench. My frustration was with the choice in the first place and then the trade off 5th pick altogether.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#143 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:20 am

Dat2U wrote:I'm not upset that Pech left and is having success. Unlike CCJ, I never saw the next Memhet Okur. I see a developing role player off the bench. My frustration was with the choice in the first place and then the trade off 5th pick altogether.


Dat, every other game I think he could be back in Europe sooner than later. I'm saying Okur potential because IMO all he needs to do is gain upper body strength to get there, and to begin to like to bang. But YOU COULD BE RIGHT about Pecherov. I respect your evaluation of him and know you watched him up close in the Vegas Summer League.

Where we agree for sure is in the trade of the 5th. Whatever Pecherov is, to include him with Etan's expiring, plus a useful big in Songaila (dude just made key plays at the buzzer for NO's win over MIL, and has been a contributor to that team winning 4 of their last 5), plus the #5 pick (which in hindsight could have been Jennings, Curry, Flynn,etc); AND TO ONLY GET BACK Randy Foye and Mike Miller .... hmmm.

We agreed about the trade, Dat.

On Pecherov, I'm just saying he's a young 7 footer who can hit the three and rebound, and who had a PER of 17 for the season. Watching Ilyasova, he's being allowed to be a high post C for Milwaukee. I think he's way better than OPEC. But OPEC never got to relax and play his game for the Wizards. I just had a feeling EG wasn't totally wrong about the kid's talent.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#144 » by DukeLecker » Fri Jun 6, 2025 12:33 am

If oleksiy pecherov‘s career was replayed 100 times, how many of them result in him being an engine? Prolly 22 or 23 is my guess.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#145 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jun 7, 2025 6:02 am

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no D in Hibachi wrote:True, but as other posters have already mentioned there is only so much you can do with 3 young inexperienced 7-footers. Drafting Pech was a mistake from the beginning because the team had their sights on signing Songaila and had drafted Blatche a year before. The addition of McGee basically assured everyone the Pech wouldn't get PT and wouldn't be with the Wiz long-term. I'm confident that the Wiz made the right decision in choosing McGee and Blatche over Pech. I hope Pech does well, but I'm sure McGee and Blatche will do better.


no D I always think about the other two young 7-footers ahead of OPEC but forget the Wizards also had Darius ahead of Pecherov. Your post reminded me of just how foolish the Wizards were. That kid had no chance to make it in DC.

As for Pecherov, I'm glad yungal pulled this up. We know for a fact he doesn't suck already. Handed Boston their butts one game and has had some okay play with not so okay since. He's just 24 (actually 23 til next month) and has less played considerably less NBA minutes (852) than Javale (1225)McGee. Think about that.

WARNING: jholmbe1, I'm about to go on in 20/20 hindsight here. If you haven't put me on ignore, now would be a good time to stop reading this post. :D (I told him I didn't want to offend).

As for Pecherov, the Wizards decided McGee and Blatche. I have no problem with that. What I absolutely HATED about the trade with Minnesota is they didn't get either Minnesota's #18 pick or the #28. I said at the time Pecherov IMO has Mehmet Okur potential. Shoots the three and is a decent rebounder. Very few guys that big shoot it like he does. Pecherov had missed a lot of shots and had shown the instinct to shy from contact and take the three. 'Some folks hated that. I say guys like Bargnani and Scalabrini make a living that way. So, too, can Pecherov.

no D, what I want to see for Pecherov is hwo he plays with Kevin Love or fully recovered Al Jefferson. Oleksisy's starting to get regular minutes. He's going to get a lot better IMO.

He may be no more than a serviceable NBA player, or then again he could hit a lot of big shots in the future like Okur. He doesn't suck. The Wizards essentially got nothing for him. The Timberwolves dealt the #18 the Wizards should have gotten for Pecherov.

I am very happy Pecherov is on a team that's giving him a real hope to contribute.
Sixteen years later, I'm glad to still be here!

About Pecherov: I was wrong. He sucked.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#146 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jun 7, 2025 6:02 am

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no D in Hibachi wrote:True, but as other posters have already mentioned there is only so much you can do with 3 young inexperienced 7-footers. Drafting Pech was a mistake from the beginning because the team had their sights on signing Songaila and had drafted Blatche a year before. The addition of McGee basically assured everyone the Pech wouldn't get PT and wouldn't be with the Wiz long-term. I'm confident that the Wiz made the right decision in choosing McGee and Blatche over Pech. I hope Pech does well, but I'm sure McGee and Blatche will do better.


Agreed. And for me it isn't one of these hindsight is 20/20 deals. I felt from the very beginning that Ernie's moves that offseason made no sense and continually blasted those decisions. Pech & Songaila were too similar IMO. And they weren't what we needed. I know doc back then had referred to EG's willingness to seek & find guys that fit the Princeton offense. But we sorely needed rebounding & interior toughness at PF, not two big guys who live and die by the jumpshot and do little else. And with Pech being a raw project who needed minutes, he was doomed to failure here with Jamison, Songaila & Blatche all capable of playing the position.

I'm not upset that Pech left and is having success. Unlike CCJ, I never saw the next Memhet Okur. I see a developing role player off the bench. My frustration was with the choice in the first place and then the trade off 5th pick altogether.
Role player off the bench was correct.
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