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2025 Draft Thread - Part 4

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#281 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 12, 2025 12:05 am

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Maybe, but not likely.... I just see 2-3 people who will be better than him in time, and he could still be great, but I just don't think he'll be the greatest from this draft.... He's got to be better than Flagg, Harper and Bailey and I really don't think he will..... If he does wonderful for us, but I'm trying to be realistic, and a guy who's main skill is shooting, with average handles, average athleticism, average driving ability, it's a lot of hopium going around.... He can improve some of these things, but some things aren't improvable but by small margins of progress.....

It's fascinating how narratives get constructed. Johnson has a higher standing vert than both Edgecombe, Harper, Bailey and Flag. Edgecombe max vert beat Johnson by 1 inch. He also had the fasted lane agility measurement than all of those guys. As for the average driving ability and average handles, this is also a myth.

The best that can be said is that he struggled on 2 point fgs. But even this should be put in context. Most good teams will create several easy looks a game. These inflate the 2-point % of players. Not only did Tre rarely get this bump he actually experienced 2-point fg% deflation. He was the "bailout guy" for Texas. So late in the shot clock they gave Tre the ball and prayed that he make something happen. If you think he has average handles you haven't watched him play. Now what can be said is that he's not an elite scorer on offense. But no one is in college. Only a handful of players in the NBA are succeeding inside the 2-point line without adequate spacing and they are all HOFs.

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Shooting is the most important skill in the NBA. Off of screens Johnson shot an insane 54.8% from 3. You're trying to make it sound like Johnson can't put the ball on the floor and he can't attack. This isn't true. Tre has one dribble pull-ups, two dribble pull-ups, a floater, a fadeway jumper, can finish with both hands and can attack the hoop with both hands. He has the most developed offensive game I've seen from a freshman in a very long time. A good comparison is

The Kentucky game shows that.
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He put up 34/9/3 while going 1/8 from 3 and going 9/10 from the free throw line. If he made 3's at his normal rate he would have put up 40 easily.

We should put Tre Johnson's season in perspective. He played in a dysfunctional offensive system with bad pg play. Everything he created, he created by himself. And he was the teams leading scorer by far. Every time he stepped on the floor he was the priority of the defense. Every defense he saw was game planned to stop him. And unlike Harper and Bailey he didn't have another incredible player to take the attention of the defense. Deep in the shot clock Texas would just give the ball to Johnson and hope.

I love the "all he does is better is shooting." The moment Tre Johnson steps onto the floor he'll be one of the best shooters in the NBA. His 39.7% from 3 includes crazy 3's like this one at 20 seconds where he uses the screen takes one dribble and shoots an off the dribble 3. How many players in the NBA are knocking down 3's like this?

And this isn't unsual.

Much more accurate to say that Tre Johnson is one of the best shooters we've seen in the draft since Steph Curry and he's also a highly sophisticated scorer of the basketball.
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This was 3 years ago.
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2:20, between the legs, hesi, blows by the defender finishes over the help. Is this average?
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1:02, this looks like Kobe. The three at 1:20 or the three at 1:47.

Teams are going to have to guard the Tre Johnson/Alex Sarr PnR. We can talk all we want about average handles and average athleticism and average driving ability. They are going to have guard that screen with Sarr and Johnson and the Wizards are going to look a lot like Steph and Draymond when they run it.

The real irony is that in the long run is that his year in a dysfunctional Texas offense will be good for him because it forced him to start thinking like a true #1 option. When the defenses is focused on you, helping off of non-shooters, the offense lacks adequate spacing and you have to create everything from scratch. Johnson will find playing in the NBA much easier. And here's the reality, off the ball teams will have to play him like Steph. Otherwise he will bury you from 3.


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He's going to be the first All-Star the Wizards have drafted since early Beal and Wall.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#282 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jul 12, 2025 1:07 am

Dat2U wrote:
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Dat2U wrote:I wanted draft & stash candidate Bogoljub Markovic. I really like the offensive upside but he'll need to get stronger and show more defensively for teams to buy in to his development.


He was #1 for me too, and then 1 of the Australian dudes and another guy I forgot.

I just don't see the value in this at all. Trust Hollinger I guess? And the FSU argument is a decent one, the team was indeed a mess (for FSU fans, the covid shut down destroyed the best Basketball Team they ever built, even better than the Cassell/Sura days, and that program has fallen off slowly but surely since). I hear the arguments that he will be a ferocious <expletive> potentially in practice, but lets be straight here, the 43rd pick is an asset, and I am not using top 40 or 50 picks on guys to throw at real prospects in practice in order to get said kiddo's ---- together, I hire coaches to do that, and I can sign vets like Smart to do that. What does a player that couldn't carry Tre Johnson's jock really do for him? He's not gonna intimidate him in the way a champion might, or a legit stud vet might etc.

I would rather the pick be used on something tangible with potential long term upside. The defense provides possibilities and covid and deciding to go back to school last year for some reason are why he's such an old prospect, but I am NEVER drafting guys that old and with that CV for a team that's 2-3 years away from even winning 42 games....I don't get it at all.

Bummer draft for me across the board with 1 exception: Unless Tre goes God Mode, as some seem to expect (at least in time), this draft was great for the tank for the Dybantsa/Peterson/Boozer/Ament+ class. We got two guys who can hit jumpers for sure, but probably aren't going to move the needle a ton (at least Riley anyway) for at least the first 50+ games next year, so the tank for a top 3-4 pick in '26 looks quite good. Now if the Suns had just been as stupid as the Pelicans I'd feel better but I think they made some smart picks, we can only hope they totally implode this year, so our pick swap can sweep in an extra 7-10% across the board at the 1 through 4 slots, if that happened (if they finished, 5th, 6th, 7th or I think 8th worst, maybe 9th too), our chances of landing a top 4 pick would jump to between about 75-82% or more so long as we are bottom 3. Much better odds than this past year (I think it was what, 53%?

So for me anyway, my chief takeaways are:

We drafted one of only two players I absolutely would have hated to draft at 6, but at least I can envision it being possible that he could be great. It's unlikely, but the floor is there, and the ceiling is definitely technically possible.

The second pick was generally ranked 12th in this '24 recruiting class, so if his end of season run is who he is, he might have been worth a 10-15 pick potentially w/a slightly different season, time will tell....and where he's at means we'll get a loss less help from him than we would have gotten from some other guys at 18.

The tank is alive and well....


I don't like the pick but I don't hate the pick either. Watkins got pushed up 2nd rd mocks when alot of guys went back to school. In my opinion, the best prospects were gone and the last decent one in Raynaud went just prior so at that point your really looking at projects and G-league/practice players. The front office probably felt they had enough guys to develop and wanted someone in their system that can provide some strength & physical play from the wing position, which none of our young guys have.

The draft still gets an A from me. I would have liked to use the cache of 2nd rd picks to go up and get someone but I'm not making a huge fuss about the 43rd pick in a thinned out draft. We are simply arguing about the margins at that point. They added two of the most offensively skilled prospects in this years draft the day before. I hope we've found our future 2nd option (if not more) in Tre and a nice complimentary piece in Riley.


All I know so far is from his game scores. Watkins attempted 40 free throws total in back-to-back games.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/jamir-watkins

I don't think I have ever seen a stat line like that.

Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.

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