Any Gilbert Updates?

[MJG]

Nate/Dat,

I was going by the salary info on Miami posted by HoopsHype. Even factoring-in Marion taking the 17.8, the remainder of their team salary is listed at 53,364781, plenty to offer Gilbert - or so I thought.
Clearly I have misinterpreted the numbers.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm

I'm sure someone can give you more specifics, but there are also draft picks and cap holds to be taken into account. That probably makes up the difference.

[Ruzious]

I'm getting more and more skeptical about Gilbert coming back strong this season - maybe the Caron situation is clouding my judgment. But if Gill doesn't come back and look like his old self, I'd be very much against giving him close to the max. If he doesn't show his old explosiveness, that would make me skeptical, and I'd think it would dramatically decrease his value. He might be better off not opting out.

Are sign and trade options available - after he opts out (assuming he opts out)?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think they are a very real possiblity, Ruz.

The Wizards are going to have to max Gil out or else lose him. If there are doubts that he's worth the max with injuries now, then I think they should trade him like the Heat traded Shaq.

Gil's had two knee operations. He's an explosive player. He's likely not going to be as good, and if he is as good, he's not going to be as good for as long as if he hadn't been injured. Top it off he's got a massive ego and he's opting out while hurt.

I'm hoping for a sign and trade, because I like the way Washington played early this season with Caron healthy, the rest of the team aside from Gil fresh, and the focus on team play. I was happy when they were 22-17. Gil isn't the team.

I've been angry with Gil since the Calderon comments.

The more I think about this opting out, the more I see the business side of the equation from the Wizards point of view. I'd trade him.

[Dat2U]

Trade him? How? Why?

CCJ I don't see the benefit in trading Gil other than satisfying your personal desire to get rid of someone you no longer like. If he decides to utilize the ETO clause in his contract he becomes an unrestricted FA, so its not like we could force him to go somewhere he doesn't want to go.

If he wants to take somewhat less money the only team with possible cap room that needs a PG is the Clips, and that's only if Brand or Maggette & Livingston leave or get dumped.

Philly & Memphis have their PG position locked up and have more pressing needs in their front court. You also have Seattle who might could offer a few million more than the MLE but how would that be an attractive destination when there's no bet they'd even stay in Seattle?

Otherwise Arenas is basically stuck with taking the MLE from any other team in the league. After two knee surgeries that would be a very stupid move on his part and while we can consider Arenas crazy, nutty and different sort of cat, one thing we can honestly say, the guy is not stupid. Any team that signs him for the MLE wouldn't have bird rights for another 3 years. So unless that team can create cap room in the short term, you think Gil would wait another 3 years to get paid? Or would he take a one year MLE deal and try again next season...which would be akin to a $7-8 million dollar paycut when he could simply decide to not to take ETO and remain with the Wiz one more year? Sorry that just doesn't add up.

Trading Gil is only an option if Gil decides he wants to go to a certain team and the Wizards show a willingess to do a sign & trade with that specific team. Problem with that is its Gilbert who picks the team, not the Wizards (so those dreams of Conley from Memphis fall by the waist side) and the Wizards will get pennies on the dollar for Gil.

Think what Memphis got for Pau Gasol, a big expiring contract, a mid-to-low level prospect and a 1st rounder or two (likely a low-first rounder considering Gil's desire to go to a winner). I'm not sure how this scenario would help the Wizards short term or long term.

[MJG]

I'm hoping for a sign and trade, because I like the way Washington played early this season with Caron healthy, the rest of the team aside from Gil fresh, and the focus on team play. I was happy when they were 22-17. Gil isn't the team.

I've been angry with Gil since the Calderon comments.

Ha, ditto on the Calderon comments - they seriously bothered me then and are still annoying to me now. How about this idea: maybe we could sign and trade Arenas for Calderon? Something like Arenas at the max for Calderon at $8 million starting, plus Rasho Nesterovic (expiring $8 million next year, I believe)? I'd do it, though maybe that's because I'm too big of a Calderon fan.

[wateryd]

oh come on, who cares about the calderon comments? i actually kind of agree with gilbert. it's the all-star game, not the "dude who had the best first half" game. it's a meaningless exhibition, for the fans. you think they really want to see jose calderon? calderon is a fantastic player, don't get me wrong, but i always like when they reward players who have a history of playing at a high-level. perhaps it wasn't good form to diss an excellent player who "plays the right way," but really, that's the reason you're going to turn on gilbert?

[TheKingOfVa360]

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Ha, ditto on the Calderon comments - they seriously bothered me then and are still annoying to me now. How about this idea: maybe we could sign and trade Arenas for Calderon? Something like Arenas at the max for Calderon at $8 million starting, plus Rasho Nesterovic (expiring $8 million next year, I believe)? I'd do it, though maybe that's because I'm too big of a Calderon fan.

Wow that's a crazy idea, we would be in the lottery. You guys are undervaluing Arenas.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade him? How? Why?

CCJ I don't see the benefit in trading Gil other than satisfying your personal desire to get rid of someone you no longer like. If he decides to utilize the ETO clause in his contract he becomes an unrestricted FA, so its not like we could force him to go somewhere he doesn't want to go.

If he wants to take somewhat less money the only team with possible cap room that needs a PG is the Clips, and that's only if Brand or Maggette & Livingston leave or get dumped.

Philly & Memphis have their PG position locked up and have more pressing needs in their front court. You also have Seattle who might could offer a few million more than the MLE but how would that be an attractive destination when there's no bet they'd even stay in Seattle?

Otherwise Arenas is basically stuck with taking the MLE from any other team in the league. After two knee surgeries that would be a very stupid move on his part and while we can consider Arenas crazy, nutty and different sort of cat, one thing we can honestly say, the guy is not stupid. Any team that signs him for the MLE wouldn't have bird rights for another 3 years. So unless that team can create cap room in the short term, you think Gil would wait another 3 years to get paid? Or would he take a one year MLE deal and try again next season...which would be akin to a $7-8 million dollar paycut when he could simply decide to not to take ETO and remain with the Wiz one more year? Sorry that just doesn't add up.

Trading Gil is only an option if Gil decides he wants to go to a certain team and the Wizards show a willingess to do a sign & trade with that specific team. Problem with that is its Gilbert who picks the team, not the Wizards (so those dreams of Conley from Memphis fall by the waist side) and the Wizards will get pennies on the dollar for Gil.

Think what Memphis got for Pau Gasol, a big expiring contract, a mid-to-low level prospect and a 1st rounder or two (likely a low-first rounder considering Gil's desire to go to a winner). I'm not sure how this scenario would help the Wizards short term or long term.

Dat, I was responding to nate's suggestion that if Gil holds out to a max contract WITH MAX RAISES WHICH WOULD INCUR THE TAX instead of just a max contract.

Ruz, after reading nate's proposal, asked could Gil be traded.

I said in effect if he hijacks the team's payroll I'd (sign and) trade him before I'd like him leave for nothing. If Gil exercises the ETO and the Wizards give him the max I think he'll resign with the Wizards.

Where I made an assumption is that I believe the Wizards could sign Gilbert and trade him a later date, whether he likes it or not. With any trade the Wizards would obviously get something valuable in return.

Dat, speciifically, yes, give him a boatload of cash if you must, but later say screw you to him! That's truly how I feel if a guy says publically money doesn't matter, yet clearly he's sticking you up for the most he can get. Character matters and even though he's a great talent, he can be replaced in the right trade.

If the only way to retain Gil is a max contract with max raises and a no-trade clause, I'd let him walk.

I've enjoyed good basketball without Gilbert Arenas. I know he's GREAT. I know he hits great game winning shots. I'm aware of all the statisically great things that happened to players around him when Gil was healthy.

Yet and still, I know the team can find other players to win without him if he doesn't have the best interest of the team at heart.

[MJG]

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Wow that's a crazy idea, we would be in the lottery. You guys are undervaluing Arenas.

Why would we be in the lottery? We weren't in the lottery this year without Arenas.

I'm not talking about actively trying to deal Arenas. Like CCJ, I'm talking about how exactly we handle things if Arenas comes and and says he will accept nothing less than a full-out maximum contract. Honestly, I don't really want to give him that. There's just something that rubs me the wrong way about giving that kind of contract to a guy who, while looking every bit like a superstar, hasn't actually really lead the team anywhere special.

From that angle, I'd be plenty satisfied if we made that deal I suggested. Calderon isn't a borderline superstar like Arenas, but he is a borderline all-star, just entering his prime, who would be making half of what Arenas is. He'd be a nice upgrade over Daniels, who we had a pretty good record with as our starting point on the season prior to the Caron injury.

[Rafael122]

My personal opinion: He comes back on the 2nd. I could be very, horribly wrong on this, but I think he wants to throw people off saying he's not in shape, etc. I find that hard to believe from a workout warrior such as Gilbert.