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Post#161 » by hands11 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:57 am

nate33 wrote:One more thing, about tonight's game, I don't think it proves much.

We had a ridiculously cold shooting stretch in the 3rd quarter. We shot 3-24 until Nick Young hit that 3 to end the quarter. Not only does that kind of poor shooting kill an offense, it hurts the D because Detroit transitions so well.

3-24 is incomprehensibly bad shooting and uncharacteristic of our offense. If we merely shot a moderately poor 9-24 instead of an abysmal 3-24, we'd have had about 13 more points and probably shaved about 4 points off of Detroit's offensive total. That's a 17-point swing.


They just turned it up with intensity and got all over us and we never adjusted. It's game like this I wish we would pound it to Haywood more so they get in foul trouble.

They were just so quick all over the court. We just couldn't shack them off.

It is just one game but it was a game that was huge given the CLE loss.
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Post#162 » by dandridge 10 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:03 am

I'm just glad my mother is in town and made me watch King Kong again on TNT instead of the Wiz game. Spared me some frustration.

Oh well, I'll be at the game tomorrow night. Should be playoff atmosphere.
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Post#163 » by tkunit » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:12 am

So is the fun of being a wiz fan. We win a good game then get blown out the next. Makes your hair fall out, luckily the hair on my head appears to be staying put....or strangely.
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Post#164 » by Wizardspride » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:21 am

I didn't read most of this thread so forgive
me if this question has been answered
but did Nick Young get any time tonight?
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Post#165 » by tmorgan » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:24 am

Props to the Wiz board for being some of the best fans on RealGM. Very little whining when you lose, very little gloating when you win. It actually makes discussing the games fun (even though there wasn't much of that cross-board this time).

Get healthy. I know you can beat Cleveland if you play well, and you have at least a shot against Boston as well -- and if you do somehow shock Boston, you'll have a decent shot against anyone in the ECF. Of course, all of that is predicated on holding on to the 5th spot, so bring it tomorrow!

Man, if we could just borrow a little bit of your offensive talent while keeping all of our defensive talent, we'd be a complete juggernaut...
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Post#166 » by miller31time » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:47 am

It's not a good sign when the only Piston starter that played more than 25 minutes was the one that just came back from a 6-game injury (Hamilton), and we still lost by 28.

I know it's only one game, but this really was a huge opportunity for us, playing a Pistons team we knew would rest their starters, along with both Cleveland and Philadelphia losing.

Oh well.
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Post#167 » by miller31time » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:48 am

tmorgan wrote:Props to the Wiz board for being some of the best fans on RealGM. Very little whining when you lose, very little gloating when you win. It actually makes discussing the games fun (even though there wasn't much of that cross-board this time).

Get healthy. I know you can beat Cleveland if you play well, and you have at least a shot against Boston as well -- and if you do somehow shock Boston, you'll have a decent shot against anyone in the ECF. Of course, all of that is predicated on holding on to the 5th spot, so bring it tomorrow!

Man, if we could just borrow a little bit of your offensive talent while keeping all of our defensive talent, we'd be a complete juggernaut...


Thanks for the kind words.

About "borrowing some of our offensive talent", you guys are the 8th best offensive team in the league. Not 'elite', but still damn good, and nothing to sneeze at.
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Post#168 » by bulletproof_32 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:11 am

hands11 wrote:11 total assist

5 came from CB


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Post#169 » by Shanghai Kid » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:25 am

Hands, I don't know if you watched the game, but Arenas did actually pass the ball and would have had more assists except for the fact that Detroit kept blocking our shots. I cleary remember him setting up Blatche only to see the shot blocked, and on a fast break he set up Songalia who got owned. The assist numbers don't always tell the story. [/list]
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Post#170 » by tmorgan » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:52 am

miller31time wrote:About "borrowing some of our offensive talent", you guys are the 8th best offensive team in the league. Not 'elite', but still damn good, and nothing to sneeze at.


I'm talking about playoff go-to scoring, though. We have precisely two plans for a crunch time basket... Chauncey dribbles out the clock and either hoists a three or initiates contact and looks for a foul, or Rasheed shoots from 50 feet.

I don't know who you have that consistently scores in the paint (come to think of it, maybe you're a little shy in that area, too), but we need some of that badly.
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Post#171 » by ilikepistonslol » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:22 am

you guys are a hell of a lot better than the Suns fans (whiny b*tches) and such.

i can honestly say i'm shocked that Detroit came out and played like a team on a mission. but GL to the Wiz. i hold no resentment towards that team.
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Post#172 » by closg00 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:26 pm

closg00 wrote:Let's hope that the team that beat the Celts 3 times is on the floor tonight, not the team that lost to a 9-member NBDL squad the Cavs put out one night.
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Post#173 » by fugop » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:05 pm

ilikepistonslol wrote:you guys are a hell of a lot better than the Suns fans (whiny b*tches) and such.

i can honestly say i'm shocked that Detroit came out and played like a team on a mission. but GL to the Wiz. i hold no resentment towards that team.


You certainly shouldn't resent us, considering we gave you so many of your players. Though maybe a little is in order for the Hayes thing. You can't win them all.
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Post#174 » by Davekn » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:26 pm

tmorgan wrote:Man, if we could just borrow a little bit of your offensive talent while keeping all of our defensive talent, we'd be a complete juggernaut...


And if only we could play defense half as well as you guys.....
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Post#175 » by hands11 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:37 pm

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Post#176 » by hands11 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:44 pm

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Um, didn't all 12 guys in uniform play tonight? And didn't 10 of them play double digit minutes? Did any of the deep bench guy
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Post#177 » by hands11 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:04 pm

Shanghai Kid wrote:Hands, I don't know if you watched the game, but Arenas did actually pass the ball and would have had more assists except for the fact that Detroit kept blocking our shots. I cleary remember him setting up Blatche only to see the shot blocked, and on a fast break he set up Songalia who got owned. The assist numbers don't always tell the story. [/list]


How can you not tell I watched the game when I was posting about it while watching it. Yeah, I saw AB get blocked etc. That was weak. He needs to go up with 2 hands. I posted that I thought that was his biggest weakness and Phil commented on it right after it happened also. This is well documented as a problem of his. Why the coaches can't get this corrected baffles me. I assume they are telling him this. Why he doesn't adjust is one of the wonders of the world.

I also saw CB with 5 assists.

So is it the position of some that there was nothing we could have done to prevent such a one sided win ? For those that see it that way, I disagree. We have way to much talent to get blown out like that.

Decision have consequences. Win or loss I voice my view on what I believe we could have done better or what we did well. Some agree. Some don't. Such is a life of a message board. If someone goes back and reads the sum total of my posts, I think they will hold up pretty well to the test of time.

So we announced a shorter bench a few games ago. Since it was announced, I have disagreed with the choice to shorten a line ups when we are 1/2 injured with AD, DS, CB, AJ and GA. We have/had a small window to get this right with only a few games left and 2 games to make up and injured players. Details make the different. Timing is everything. It's not if we played all our players, it's when and against who.

I just wish the ones that don't see it like myself and others wouldn't get so defensive and would respect opposing views a little more. We are all Wiz fans.

This is the team I cheer for. I want to see them win. When see them loss and I feel there was something we could have done differently that would have helped, I post about it. So do many others. Such is the ways of a message board.
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Post#178 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:00 pm

hands11 wrote:11 total assist

5 came from CB


Looks like GA isnt going to be a passer after all.

18 minutes 1 assist.

Love me some 8 man rotation. That worked well for us tonight.


Didn't watch a second of the game. My comments to follow are generalized to what I've seen of EJ the past few seasons.

1. He's not a great coach. He's a good offensive coach.
2. He's not a good judge during the games of who's being most effective for him. EJ plays stars and plays certain guys certain minutes. He'll pull his bench players even if they've been very effective in order to get Butler or Jamison their shots/minutes. Often this hurts the Wizards.
3. EJ coaches offense, not defense. Rare is the good defensive substitution. EJ usually reacts when the offense bogs down. His answer to problems on the coach is usually let's score more.
4. EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T SEE A SECOND OF THE DETROIT LOSS THIS TIME I remember what Maxiel did to the Wizards last time. Which brings me to this point--athletic teams will whip the Wizards with guys like Maxiel and Josh Smith and Gerald Wallace because the Wizards starting forwards won't defend them or match their energy or athleticism AND because the Wizards don't bring energy off the bench.

Okay, I didn't watch the game so .... that's more than enough negative from me.

Washington's got to play better defense and hopefully the quick guys with fresh legs won't be left out of the rotation.

That and hope the Wizards don't get seventh and have to face Detroit in round one. :noway:
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Post#179 » by doclinkin » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:01 pm

hands11 wrote:o we announced a shorter bench a few games ago. Since it was announced, I have disagreed with the choice to shorten a line ups when we are 1/2 injured with AD, DS, CB, AJ and GA. We have/had a small window to get this right with only a few games left and 2 games to make up and injured players. Details make the different. Timing is everything. It's not if we played all our players, it's when and against who.


We played 9 players in the first half and kept it pretty close. Our initial slippage occurred when we subbed in both Gil and 'Proof, basically against the Pistons starters (plus or minus Ratliff or Dice). We got back in the game playing Mason and Songaila and passed the baton to our starters again to cut the lead to 3 at the half IIRC.

The wheels came off out the gate in the second half playing our starters against theirs. Then we tried Gil, Songaila, Nick Young, Dray trying to jumpstart our offense but nothing was working. I only caught the first half but by looking at the game flows it's tough to see where any roster swap would have made the difference. Nobody on the Wiz squad shot well against Detroit. No, buddy. Nuffin'.

I always know it's gonna be a tough game defensively when the opponent Bigs hit shots over the top of Brendan and force him to guard them outside. McDyess had a couple early on. But the Wiz offense was completely toothless too, tough game. Detroit is pretty good on defense, you know? Ugly result, whoo. I was hoping I could get a pleasant surprise when I checked the box score. Nope.

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