Is there anyway Gil gets the Max next year from anyone?

[closg00]

EJ put Gilbert in a practically impossible position. EJ was hoping that an injured Gilbert would save his a*s once again. No play really, just get the ball to Gilbert and hope for the best.

[Wizardspride]

I applaud him for giving everything he can considering his circumstances. However, and as much as I was curious to see what he could do if he came back, Larry Hughes was probably right in advising him not to.

Exactly! Gil said that Caron and the rest of the guys
were playing injured and that he had to do the same.
He'a team player.....

[newslowsad]

AD and Caron aren't coming off two knee surgeries though. Gil's just stubborn and in a lot of ways it has hurt his development.

[Ruzious]

Let's be clear about one thing - Gil is not playing injured. He's got rust, and he doesn't have his explosiveness yet, but he's not injured. It is his minimal obligation to play, and he doesn't deserve any bravery awards for playing - whether or not that hurts his bargaining power for this offseason.

I think he's going to re-consider opting out. Unless he has an amazing turnaround, opting out doesn't make much sense. This is one of several reasons why he should hire an agent - to help him think these things through.

[fishercob]

Let's be clear about one thing - Gil is not playing injured. He's got rust, and he doesn't have his explosiveness yet, but he's not injured. It is his minimal obligation to play, and he doesn't deserve any bravery awards for playing - whether or not that hurts his bargaining power for this offseason.

I think he's going to re-consider opting out. Unless he has an amazing turnaround, opting out doesn't make much sense. This is one of several reasons why he should hire an agent - to help him think these things through.

Thanks for the insight, doctor. How can you possibly claim to have the right info to make this kind of statement? When Ivan talks about Gil "dragging around his left leg," and Gil has shown almost no ability to get to and finish at the rim, I'd say it's pretty evident that he's not healthy yet.

[MJG]

Don't turn on Gil. I applaud him for what hes doing. The man has a contract year coming up, hes losing money but hes giving all hes got for this team.

I blame the coach for not having the balls to tell him that he can't be on the floor. Gil is doing something many players in the league wouldn't.

The one who is costing Arenas money is Arenas. After all, the only reason this year is a contract year is because he's choosing to opt out. Nobody is forcing that on him.

[Ruzious]

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Thanks for the insight, doctor. How can you possibly claim to have the right info to make this kind of statement? When Ivan talks about Gil "dragging around his left leg," and Gil has shown almost no ability to get to and finish at the rim, I'd say it's pretty evident that he's not healthy yet.

Unlike you, I'm not playing doctor; I'm listening to the doctors. They gave him 100% clearance to play. That was what was reported, right? Do you think they would have cleared him to play if he was injured?

[Joe_Wiz]

As I see it, there is a huge silver lining to Gil's subpar playoff performance and lingering knee problems -- EG can re-sign or extend him comparatively cheaply. If Gil were fully healthy and in shape, warts and all, we'd be the ones with the 3-1 lead in this series. If he comes back fully healthy AND displays the improved decision-making and defense that we've seen flashes of this season, we could be headed to the NBA Finals next year.

[Kanyewest]

It's the playoffs; you play injured. Arenas is not 100%.

[fishercob]

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Unlike you, I'm not playing doctor; I'm listening to the doctors. They gave him 100% clearance to play. That was what was reported, right? Do you think they would have cleared him to play if he was injured?

My playing doctor is between me and the Mrs.

The Wiz medical staff has proven dubious at best, but even if he was medically cleared -- in that the injury is healed -- doesn't mean he's anywhere close to 100%. It's painfully obvious from watching him that he's a shell of his healthy self.

[Ruzious]

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My playing doctor is between me and the Mrs.

The Wiz medical staff has proven dubious at best, but even if he was medically cleared -- in that the injury is healed -- doesn't mean he's anywhere close to 100%. It's painfully obvious from watching him that he's a shell of his healthy self.

You're not saying anything different from me... but you're arguing with me. You could be my Mrs.

Without spinning anything, A. he's not injured, and 2. he hasn't gotten his explosiveness back. Right? My point - which I think you missed - was that we shouldn't be congratulating him for playing. That's his minimum responsibility.

[fishercob]

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You're not saying anything different from me... but you're arguing with me. You could be my Mrs.

Without spinning anything, A. he's not injured, and 2. he hasn't gotten his explosiveness back. Right? My point - which I think you missed - was that we shouldn't be congratulating him for playing. That's his minimum responsibility.

But! Well....Um...okay

[Davekn]

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I'm still waiting for somebody to provide evidence that we play better without a HEALTHY Gilbert Arenas.

Prezactly! Last year at the break this team, with everyone healthy, was on pace to win 50 games. While they performed admirably this year without Gilbert the fact is that team was only a few games over .500 without Arenas. It's not that hard.


Ruz: I think we are playing semantics. While I see your point, clearly you can see that he is not what he is going to be in 5 months. No doubt he is rusty, no doubt he has no explosion off that knee. But is that a result of rust or a rehab that has not yet been completed? If you tested that knee right now and compared it to a test next September obviously there will be a difference. So I can see why people are saying he is not healthy, hence still "injured".

As for him playing, I agree that he should be applauded. Again I see your point but the fact is he could have very well packed it in and waited for next season and most would have understood that decision.

[Ji]

I would be shocked now if Hibachi opted out now this summer?

[MJG]

I would be shocked now if Hibachi opted out now this summer?

A possibility: maybe the injury is worse than he's letting on? Or even if not, maybe this injury has just put a scare in Arenas. If he goes out next season and has another year remotely like this one, he'd be lucky to get a contract as good as the one he has now. The options are something like (exact numbers are debatable, but that's not the point):

Opt out this summer: $90 million
Contract ends next summer, healthy season: $120 million
Contract ends next summer, injured season: $60 million

Perhaps Arenas just wants to play it safe, and considers his potential contract this summer to be a nice middle ground between the high and low possibilities of next summer?

[dlts20]

Bump! I had to do it since I was like the only one who said that teams would give him the max and to make it even more crazy was that this thread was even before he went out again in the playoffs with a bad knee and teams are still offering him big money or trying to

[Warriorfan]

So Gilbert probably got a max deal offer from GS.

Would you guys prefer to do a sign and trade of Harrington and Jackson who are Caron and Jamison light or just let Gilbert walk if wants to go to Golden State .

I know the ball is in the Arenas hands.