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If the Wizards are the 9th or 10th seed at the deadline...

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Re: If the Wizards are the 9th or 10th seed at the deadline... 

Post#21 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:19 pm

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Rashard Lewis Jr.

$111 million reasons for the Wizards to decide to trade him at some point if he doesn't come back from injury and play like a superstar...

I hear what you are saying but my issue with you is that you are assuming that the Wiz will want to trade him at some point.


And the comparison to Rashard Lewis is comical. Gil is far and away the better player.


Seriously. Rashard is getting paid more than Gil to be what is basically the 3rd option behind Turk and Dwight. Arenas is far and away our best player, far and away better than Lewis, and as others have said the face of our franchise.
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Post#22 » by bstein14 » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:37 pm

That's fine...

If he regains his pre injury 25 PPG form... Then this won't be an issue at all. That may certainly be the case.

But there is also at least an ok chance that he comes back and he plays like a "border line all-star".... very good but not great and certainly not warranting that contract.

I understand that Wizards fans don't even want to think about that scenario right now.

But we've seen players get paid as franchise players, and not play up to their contract in the NBA many times for many years... Often times they'll get traded for expirings, a young player or two, and a pick or two.

I think that's entirely possible... but I understand why Wizards fans don't want to think about that right now.... I probably shouldn't have even posted this thread here in retrospective.
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Re: If the Wizards are the 9th or 10th seed at the deadline... 

Post#23 » by nate33 » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:30 pm

bstein14 wrote:That's fine...

If he regains his pre injury 25 PPG form... Then this won't be an issue at all. That may certainly be the case.

But there is also at least an ok chance that he comes back and he plays like a "border line all-star".... very good but not great and certainly not warranting that contract.

I understand that Wizards fans don't even want to think about that scenario right now.

But we've seen players get paid as franchise players, and not play up to their contract in the NBA many times for many years... Often times they'll get traded for expirings, a young player or two, and a pick or two.

I think that's entirely possible... but I understand why Wizards fans don't want to think about that right now.... I probably shouldn't have even posted this thread here in retrospective.

That's not an unreasonable prediction. But the bottom line is that there is absolutely no way the Wizards give up on Arenas by the trade deadline this year. The time horizon is just too short. He is coming off of microfracture surgery and chances are it'll take some time for him to get back to prime form. The Wizards won't even think about trading him for at least 2 years. No chance whatsoever.
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Post#24 » by queridiculo » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:15 pm

If Washington stinks it up that badly without any of the starters having sustained any serious injuries I'd look at finally firing EJ before anything else.

There's no way Washington could get reasonable value in return, at least not for Arenas.
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Re: If the Wizards are the 9th or 10th seed at the deadline... 

Post#25 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:17 pm

bstein14 wrote:That's fine...

If he regains his pre injury 25 PPG form... Then this won't be an issue at all. That may certainly be the case.

But there is also at least an ok chance that he comes back and he plays like a "border line all-star".... very good but not great and certainly not warranting that contract.

I understand that Wizards fans don't even want to think about that scenario right now.

But we've seen players get paid as franchise players, and not play up to their contract in the NBA many times for many years... Often times they'll get traded for expirings, a young player or two, and a pick or two.

I think that's entirely possible... but I understand why Wizards fans don't want to think about that right now.... I probably shouldn't have even posted this thread here in retrospective.


Yeah, Arenas may not play up to his contract, but that would be because of his knee and no other foreseeable reason. If he was only out for the money and the payday he wouldn't have left 16 mil on the table. I'm more than assured he's got the drive to stay at the top of his game after watching him the years he's been here, the only way that hurts him is if he comes back too soon again... which he won't.

bottom line- if he's not living up to his contract it will likely be because of injuries and not much else, and there's usually not much of a market for injured guards.
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Re: If the Wizards are the 9th or 10th seed at the deadline... 

Post#26 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:39 pm

bstein14 wrote:That's fine...

If he regains his pre injury 29 PPG form... Then this won't be an issue at all. That may certainly be the case.


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Post#27 » by Wiz99 » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:09 pm

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Re: If the Wizards are the 9th or 10th seed at the deadline... 

Post#28 » by TheOUTLAW » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:56 am

As much as I dislike the Wiz, what in the world would cause them to fall to the 9th or 10th seed? They had tons of injuries last year and were only 5th seeds. Even with the improvement of a few teams in the east it would take a precipitous drop by the Wiz for this to happen.

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Re: If the Wizards are the 9th or 10th seed at the deadline... 

Post#29 » by Wiz99 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:47 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:As much as I dislike the Wiz, what in the world would cause them to fall to the 9th or 10th seed? They had tons of injuries last year and were only 5th seeds. Even with the improvement of a few teams in the east it would take a precipitous drop by the Wiz for this to happen.

No chance.


Yes, chance.

Cs, Detroit, Cleveland and Orlando were better than us last year.

Toronto (JO) and Philly (Brand) could realistically outperform us with their heavy duty additions at PF.

Chicago has a new coach and several guys who Skiles' antics drove into the ground ought to return to form, plus they added Rose - they could easily have a +.500 record next year.

There's no reason Atlanta doesn't continue to improve dramatically - they added 7 wins over their 2006 record and with a full year of Bibby, Horford's sophomore maturation and Josh Smith's blossoming, I could see them also challenging the Wiz in the standings.

That's 8 teams that could easily have better records than the Wiz.

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