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Wiz sign Dee Brown to Offer Sheet 2years7/10/08

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Re: Wiz sign Dee Brown to Offer Sheet 2years7/10/08 

Post#41 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:13 pm

^ was gonna read that post but as i was scrolling down i saw the words kwame and special were next to each other...
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Re: Wiz sign Dee Brown to Offer Sheet 2years7/10/08 

Post#42 » by Halcyon » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:15 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:Dee brown's handle seems suspect for a point guard, he doesn't seem to have superior agility and his arms are super short. His ability to stay with his man through a pick a roll seem real suspect.

I did like how he picked the pocket of koponnen and forced the opposing team to use their big man in order to make it easier for the pg to advance the ball but Dee brown was almost never in a position to draw a charge on the opposing point guard when he was advancing the ball which indicates he is not on ball defender even though he is suppose to be "super quick". I still have suspect question in terms of grunfeld and eddie's ability to evaluate overall talent of a player including defensive.
Javale is going to be a huge let down because he doesn't fight for defensive rebounds. You don't see him hustling, pushing shoving to get a defensive rebound on each play like his life depended on it.
That's something that all great rebounder naturally do and we see Javale doesn't do this. Very very bad and I think its way to late in his career for him to develop this attribute and exponentially increasing his bust potential. We love to compare him to chandler but chandler would have pulled 15 boards this game.
. The wiz need an elusive big man that apply pressure to a point guard in that situation in order to counter an offense using their big to create dribble path for the point guard. Closest thing we have is blatche. Javale has horrible burst in his legs when he makes movements. AS soon as he lunges to left or right to play defense, it like his legs need 2 seconds to recover in order for him to make another movement they just freeze. that's one thing that made kwame special, He is able to accelerate and deaccelerate his body better than alot of point guards which was a result of his massive calves. No on this roster has it or probably ever will. That's probably what jordan identify in kwame but failed to see he has small hands, and shorts arms. But the prototypical center in NBA has gigantic calves and would have tremendous recovery burst. Dee Brown does not have full control of the ball when weaving through traffic like Deron Williams or earl boykins. That's probably the real reason he didn't play point guard. It was really pathetic seeing him struggle with his dribble or even crossing it over at full speed. He also doesn't have that Jerk hesistation movement with the ball which only happens when your dribbling skills are phenomenal.

He's a 3rd point guard signed for the minimum. I think at that salary, his quality of play isn't bad. You're WAY too hard on him.
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Re: Wiz sign Dee Brown to Offer Sheet 2years7/10/08 

Post#43 » by dalekjazz » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:46 pm

rrini wrote:Excellent move. He can help defend against those small pesky pgs that always seem to be too fast for Wiz. The length of the deal is also less risky and stressful on team finances. Still hoping 4 something more significant to strengthen defense and add shotblocking....

Dee Brown can help in that department too. In his one season with the Jazz he had more blocks than the two Jazz backup centers, Jarron Collins and Rafael Araujo combined, in significantly less minutes.
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Re: Wiz sign Dee Brown to Offer Sheet 2years7/10/08 

Post#44 » by WizarDynasty » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:05 am

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:^ was gonna read that post but as i was scrolling down i saw the words kwame and special were next to each other...


We have always known Kwame has gigantic calves muscles and can accelerate and deaccelerate better than any big man in the league. That's the talent that michael jordan saw. Michael jordan didn't see that he had small hands, and couldn't jump off one leg and execute an effective offensive move going in a forward direction. Two footer jumper which is bad offensively for any big man.
If you can find a big man with large hands, gigantic explosive calves who can burst at 260lbs, 7ft with a tremendous wingspan and shooting touch. then you got a special player. Jordan again couldn't calculate how badly small hands and no explosiveness when jumping off one leg were in terms of the potential of a basketball player. Kwame never had jumping explosiveness of one legs and he had small hands...a lethal combination and the inexperienced jordan couldn't calculate how limiting this is for a bigman if he never has these tools.
Again Kwame moves his body like a guard on the perimeter due to his explosive calves..but Kwame doesn't have one leg jumping ability. Kind of like dominic mcquire. that limits your offensive ability tremendously and combine that with small hands. Catastrophe.

Dee Brown biggest asset was that he could be a great on ball defender. He has shown in two S.L. league games that he is terrible on ball defender meaning he doesn't instantaneously and fluidly adjust his momentum to keep a superior defensive position when a point guard changes directions. he appears to be just as bad or worst than gilbert at stopping dribble penetration. His strides are not smooth but choppy and he has short arms meaning he can't touch the ground when squatting and accelerating...attributes needs to capture an opponents dribble as ball is returning from the floor back to the offensive players hand. If your defensive point guard in a low stance, you are able to steal the ball easily at that point especially if you have superior footspeed and agility. We were hoping to get this type of player to compliment gilberts lack of these assets but grunfelds ability to judge talent seems to exclude perimeter on ball defense which is why this team can't stop dribble penetration to save their lives..and will continue with dee brown.
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Re: Wiz sign Dee Brown to Offer Sheet 2years7/10/08 

Post#45 » by MJG » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:09 pm

After watching him a couple of games, I've settled at: I'm fine with keeping him for the minimum as the break-glass third point guard, but as a whole he's not very good and I don't want him sniffing the court unless we've got injury problems.
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Re: Wiz sign Dee Brown to Offer Sheet 2years7/10/08 

Post#46 » by Ruzious » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:56 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:Dee brown's handle seems suspect for a point guard, he doesn't seem to have superior agility and his arms are super short. His ability to stay with his man through a pick a roll seem real suspect.

I'm not worried about his stature, since he's built like Chris Paul - with a shorter wingspan but a slightly longer standing reach. And he's just as fast as Paul, so I'm not worried about his physical ability. His problem is learning to play the point - as he played off the ball - and did so very well - in college.
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