Are the Wiz better without Caron?

[hands11]

If you are going to talk about what Caron did with Lebron, at least bring up lebron's total field goal percentage including fts. versus carons total percentage vs ft's.

Lebron attempted 36 pts and scored 18pts. 18/36 equal = 50% for the game.

Lebron's average for the the season is (576*2)+264=1416 attempted
He has made=29*28=840 840/1416= adjusted 59% per game.

This game caron held his total adjusted to 50%. Now its simple. He made 6 out 13 or 12 out 26. He attempted 10 ft's and made 6. 12 out 26 gets bumped to 18/36.

In this game Caron shot 3-13 or 6/26 with zero ft's. shooting 23% from field with no ft's to prop up his average. Caron normally averages (436*2)+152 attempted and he has made 27*21= 567/1024=.55 % per game.

This game caron was held to 23% or nearly 22 field goal percentage below his average..while james only shot 9 percent below.

You then have to take it to second level and see that this game caron was held to 15 points below his average against a playoff team. Its one thing if caron hits or exceed his average going against non playoffs teams but scoring below his average against quality teams means that he boost his numbers against poor teams but doesn't maintain his average against quality teams meaning the team can't count on him against the teams that it really matters against. It one thing if caron shot a few attempts and didn't get his points average but still shot his season average of .55 percent but he didn't and lebron held caron farther below his average than caron held lebron which means caron aint helping us win.

Now if caron had held lebron to 22 percentage points below his season average field goal percentage..instead of 9...then caron would have at least kept the race even. HE did NOT and this pushes the race into clevelands favor. In each individual matchup...its a battle of who can hold who below their season average. Its not about how a player performs against non playoffs teams like OKC..its about how they perform in their matchups against the top 4 seeded teams in the playoffs...because these are teams that really matter when it comes to winning a championship which is point of NBA correct..or are we in low standards bullets world with low expectations?

Dude, you really need to add some spaces. What you write is impossible to read. Your actually trying draw attention to something that has some facts in it but it is getting lost.

Another important piece to add to all of this is how our team did. If I recall, we beat them.

[WizarDynasty]

If you are going to talk about what Caron did with Lebron, at least bring up lebron's total field goal percentage including fts. versus carons total percentage vs ft's.

Lebron attempted 36 pts and scored 18pts. 18/36 equal = 50% for the game.

Lebron's average for the the season is (576*2)+264=1416 attempted
He has made=29*28=840 840/1416= adjusted 59% per game.

This game caron held his total adjusted to 50%. Now its simple. He made 6 out 13 or 12 out 26. He attempted 10 ft's and made 6. 12 out 26 gets bumped to 18/36.

In this game Caron shot 3-13 or 6/26 with zero ft's. shooting 23% from field with no ft's to prop up his average. Caron normally averages (436*2)+152 attempted and he has made 27*21= 567/1024=.55 % per game.

This game caron was held to 23% or nearly 22 field goal percentage below his average..while james only shot 9 percent below.

You then have to take it to second level and see that this game caron was held to 15 points below his average against a playoff team. Its one thing if caron hits or exceed his average going against non playoffs teams but scoring below his average against quality teams means that he boost his numbers against poor teams but doesn't maintain his average against quality teams meaning the team can't count on him against the teams that it really matters against. It one thing if caron shot a few attempts and didn't get his points average but still shot his season average of .55 percent but he didn't and lebron held caron farther below his average than caron held lebron which means caron aint helping us win.

Now if caron had held lebron to 22 percentage points below his season average field goal percentage..instead of 9...then caron would have at least kept the race even. HE did NOT and this pushes the race into clevelands favor. In each individual matchup...its a battle of who can hold who below their season average. Its not about how a player performs against non playoffs teams like OKC..its about how they perform in their matchups against the top 4 seeded teams in the playoffs...because these are teams that really matter when it comes to winning a championship which is point of NBA correct..or are we in low standards bullets world with low expectations?

Dude, you really need to add some spaces. What you write is impossible to read. Your actually trying draw attention to something that has some facts in it but it is getting lost.

Another important piece to add to all of this is how our team did. If I recall, we beat them.[/quo
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Nope the true allstar s/f that's dominant on both sides of the court taps into his rep to get to free throw line in the last five minutes when the points really decide the game to give cleveland an 93-89 win.

[Wizards2Lottery]

God forbid we beat the Hornets tomorrow night

[80sballboy]

Obviously this is a joke of a threadand we aren't necessarily better without him, but I'm not opposed to trading Caron for a true point guard or a physical post player. Young will eventually be a solid 2 and D-Mac can play the 3, Blatche 4 and McGee 5/4 (at least a year away though). I like Caron as a player but I think we run the offense too much through him and he turns it over in bunches. Very streak shooter as well.

And of course, there are the injuries. This ankle injury will probably turn into tendon damage and he'll be out a month.

We are probably stuck with Jamison and definitely Gil, so Caron has the best value. If you want to make a major move, you don't trade DeSuck and the Poet. You move Caron.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The problem is that Caron and Antawn at the F spots is poor defensively and on the boards late in games.

The Wizards have rebounded way better the last two games, both wins, with Jamison seeing some minutes at SF. When Caron and Antawn both play 40 minutes, by the fourth quarter they don't grab boards. It's different when all McGuire's looking to do is rebound and when he's got fresh legs late in games. He grabs a ton of rebounds late in games. (But he can't score.)

With Dominic McGuire they add shotblocking, EFFORT on defense and rebounding, and ball movement from other players who know he's not going to shoot. Same players sit around and watch Caron with the ball.

The Wizards being better without Caron is no reflection on Caron, but more on them playing better in other areas.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

[Ji]

he is a cancer...terrible defender...we are better off without him. Trade him while his value is high

[hands11]

Obviously this is a joke of a threadand we aren't necessarily better without him, but I'm not opposed to trading Caron for a true point guard or a physical post player. Young will eventually be a solid 2 and D-Mac can play the 3, Blatche 4 and McGee 5/4 (at least a year away though). I like Caron as a player but I think we run the offense too much through him and he turns it over in bunches. Very streak shooter as well.

And of course, there are the injuries. This ankle injury will probably turn into tendon damage and he'll be out a month.

We are probably stuck with Jamison and definitely Gil, so Caron has the best value. If you want to make a major move, you don't trade DeSuck and the Poet. You move Caron.

Are we talking about the same CB ?

CB will return to his previous role once there are other around him who have steeped up.

He will rebound, steal, pass and fill the bucket when needed.

CB changed his game to try to fill a void that was there. With others stepping up, he will just become more efficient. CB isn't an egomaniac. He wants to win and he will do what the team needs of him to do that.

[hands11]

Obviously this is a joke of a threadand we aren't necessarily better without him, but I'm not opposed to trading Caron for a true point guard or a physical post player. Young will eventually be a solid 2 and D-Mac can play the 3, Blatche 4 and McGee 5/4 (at least a year away though). I like Caron as a player but I think we run the offense too much through him and he turns it over in bunches. Very streak shooter as well.

And of course, there are the injuries. This ankle injury will probably turn into tendon damage and he'll be out a month.

We are probably stuck with Jamison and definitely Gil, so Caron has the best value. If you want to make a major move, you don't trade DeSuck and the Poet. You move Caron.

I don't think anyone is going anywhere just yet. But longer term it will be AJ that goes as his contract increases and McGee and Blatche develop. But for now, AJ played a good bit of SF tonight. CB plays the 2. GA the 1.

I wouldn't pencil in NY anywhere in a starting line up on a great team just yet. He is was to immature as of right now. With everyone healthy, he will be nice off the bench. That is what a really good team needs. Great bench players. DMAC will become the same for now one be have Haywood back.

Our playoff squad will be

Haywood, AB, AJ, CB, GA
DMAC

Hard to tell who the bench will be depending on if we make a trade

[BruceO]

watching today's game I see a definite role for Antwan Jamison. He is an all star against most PF's but I think Blatche is better against big 4/5's. Andray did a very admirable job against Yao and Scola and it's why he's definitely the future at PF.
Antwans role in the long term should be he can start at the PF or SF depending on matchups. Also he's going to be sixth man of the year at either of the forward positions. It was beautiful watching us run the offense through him. Quite great to have an all star sixth man who can play either forward position, rebound and score. He can be our gunner.
The problem for me is what are we going to do at the 2/3 spot. I guess Caron can be used the same way we use Antwan. Start at the 2 or 3 depending on matchups and be sixth man there at either of those positions.
When Jamison doesn't start at the 4 I see now that Blatche is already capable. For me he has arrived. The next level for him is elite young PF and then all star. He has to show separation from now on between himself and other players. Explosiveness and improved body will go a long way. I'd like to see him dunking more.
I think the key here is getting a SF who is capable of starting or playing the bench. So you can have Caron and Jamison playing with him or playing with Blatche. When that SF is not being used you can have caron play the 3 and figure out who you will use for the two.
At the one I am satisfied with Gilbert Arenas, Mike James behind him and Deshawn playing the pg when needed. If caron doesn't start at the 2 we have SG issues. If he does start at the 2 we have SF issues.
All eyes for me are on Earl Clark and hopefully jeff green. I'd not be opposed to our draft pick depending on who's available being given to OKC in exchange for Jeff green. They have two SF's with one playing out of position. I think they need to swap him. Unless the draft pick is going to be an excellent player, I think Jeff green is the perfect young Sf for our team. He's 6 10 from this area, athletic, can score the 3 ball pass well and looks like a 2 way player. I know there's been some whispers of trading for Durant if we get the number 1 pick. We should consider trading for Jeff Green so OKC can be more rounded.
The question is who is going to be better. Earl Clark or Jeff Green.

[Ruzious]

watching today's game I see a definite role for Antwan Jamison. He is an all star against most PF's but I think Blatche is better against big 4/5's. Andray did a very admirable job against Yao and Scola and it's why he's definitely the future at PF.
Antwans role in the long term should be he can start at the PF or SF depending on matchups. Also he's going to be sixth man of the year at either of the forward positions. It was beautiful watching us run the offense through him. Quite great to have an all star sixth man who can play either forward position, rebound and score. He can be our gunner.
The problem for me is what are we going to do at the 2/3 spot. I guess Caron can be used the same way we use Antwan. Start at the 2 or 3 depending on matchups and be sixth man there at either of those positions.
When Jamison doesn't start at the 4 I see now that Blatche is already capable. For me he has arrived. The next level for him is elite young PF and then all star. He has to show separation from now on between himself and other players. Explosiveness and improved body will go a long way. I'd like to see him dunking more.
I think the key here is getting a SF who is capable of starting or playing the bench. So you can have Caron and Jamison playing with him or playing with Blatche. When that SF is not being used you can have caron play the 3 and figure out who you will use for the two.
At the one I am satisfied with Gilbert Arenas, Mike James behind him and Deshawn playing the pg when needed. If caron doesn't start at the 2 we have SG issues. If he does start at the 2 we have SF issues.
All eyes for me are on Earl Clark and hopefully jeff green. I'd not be opposed to our draft pick depending on who's available being given to OKC in exchange for Jeff green. They have two SF's with one playing out of position. I think they need to swap him. Unless the draft pick is going to be an excellent player, I think Jeff green is the perfect young Sf for our team. He's 6 10 from this area, athletic, can score the 3 ball pass well and looks like a 2 way player. I know there's been some whispers of trading for Durant if we get the number 1 pick. We should consider trading for Jeff Green so OKC can be more rounded.
The question is who is going to be better. Earl Clark or Jeff Green.

A big plus during the losing streak was Butler showing he can play the 2 - giving the team a lot of flexibility in planning for next season. Green v Clark is a great question. I'd take Clark for potential, because I think he can be a Prince type of defender. Unfortunately, he's not an efficient scorer - doesn't get to the line much and doesn't make many 3's - but like Prince, he sees the floor well and sets up teammates. But trading for Green sounds like a possibility if the Wiz don't do well in the lottery.

[ZonkertheBrainless]

Dunking is not blatche's game. He's not all that athletic, he just has really long arms. He needs to watch lots of film of McHale, that's his game.

He can do it though, gotta admit. That dunk on, was it Garnett? was sweet.

[Kanyewest]

The Rockets clearly looked past the Wizards since Caron Butler wasn't playing. The defensive improvements can be attributed to D-Mac starting in place of Stevenson.

[Ruzious]

The Rockets clearly looked past the Wizards since Caron Butler wasn't playing. The defensive improvements can be attributed to D-Mac starting in place of Stevenson.

Blasphemer! I love how these short-armed shot-jacker's can't see how Butler was killing the team - even with the proof positive 2-0 record without him.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

The Rockets clearly looked past the Wizards since Caron Butler wasn't playing. The defensive improvements can be attributed to D-Mac starting in place of Stevenson.

Blasphemer! I love how these short-armed shot-jacker's can't see how Butler was killing the team - even with the proof positive 2-0 record without him.

[541Blaza]

Didn't caron butler make the all-nba defensive second team or something a couple of years ago? His defense has dropped that much huh?

[nate33]

Didn't caron butler make the all-nba defensive second team or something a couple of years ago? His defense has dropped that much huh?

People are being facetious. Nobody believes the team is actually better without Butler.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If they had beat New Orleans I'd be saying they've won three in a row without Caron.

541Blaza, I think even if Caron is IMO the best player on the Wizards (until Gil gets healthy) it's quite possible, in light of all the injuries and losing this season, that they'd play better without him, just like they played better without Gilbert last season.

I believe there are different combinations of players currently on the Wizards team that can make the Wizards more effective than they are this season with Butler and Jamison playing Fs without Haywood in there to make up for there bad defense.

I think the BEST WIZARDS LINEUP RIGHT NOW is probably James, Butler, McGuire, Jamison, and Blatche. So, I'd want Butler out there at SG.

That said, I believe they might be just about as good with James, McGuire, Jamison, Blatche, and McGee as their lineup IF Young could provide scoring off the bench.

I think Jamison would be good at SF with Blatche at PF and McGee at C. I really do.

Caron's solid play would be missed if it were playoffs, but IMHO I think the Wizards could grind out wins during the regular season playing a bigger, better defensive team, that rebounds better and keeps the ball moving.

This season I don't think Caron's defense has been good at all. I also think he's stopped the ball a ton on offense.

So, I'm not positive they couldn't actuallyb be better without him because I don't like the way he''s been forcing his offense and not putting a whole lot of effort into playing defense. Caron could be injured or just disgusted with the Wizards season.

The games without him they've been as competitive or more so than when he's played this season.

Yet, I think he's the best player on the team.