The Amazingly Sucky DeBrick Stevenson Thread (09-10 edition)
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I was curious to see if Deshawn Stevenson is having the worst season ever as a SG in the NBA, with approximately his minutes played.
I searched for players with a PER under 5.0 (Deshawn: 3.6), FG% <= .300 (Deshawn: .283), 3P% <= .150 (Deshawn: .129), and MPG >= 15 (Deshawn: 16.8), then sorted by total minutes played (to figure out who was the least (effective) with the most (minutes)).
Happily for Deshawn, with only half the season gone he has earned only the second most minutes played -- if we include the ABA.
The legendary Richard C. Clark (not /the/ Dick Clark but yeah) of the '68-69 Houston Mavericks played 32 games off the bench, averaging 22.6 minutes. He shot 28.8% from 2, 12.5% from 3, and had a minutely superior PER of 3.8.
Deshawn has already passed such luminaries as the '07-'08 season that Eric Snow turned in for Cleveland, and the '98-99 season Matt Maloney "earned" for Houston.
Congratulations, Deshawn, you are the suck, and arguably the most overused bad guard in NBA history.
I searched for players with a PER under 5.0 (Deshawn: 3.6), FG% <= .300 (Deshawn: .283), 3P% <= .150 (Deshawn: .129), and MPG >= 15 (Deshawn: 16.8), then sorted by total minutes played (to figure out who was the least (effective) with the most (minutes)).
Happily for Deshawn, with only half the season gone he has earned only the second most minutes played -- if we include the ABA.
The legendary Richard C. Clark (not /the/ Dick Clark but yeah) of the '68-69 Houston Mavericks played 32 games off the bench, averaging 22.6 minutes. He shot 28.8% from 2, 12.5% from 3, and had a minutely superior PER of 3.8.
Deshawn has already passed such luminaries as the '07-'08 season that Eric Snow turned in for Cleveland, and the '98-99 season Matt Maloney "earned" for Houston.
Congratulations, Deshawn, you are the suck, and arguably the most overused bad guard in NBA history.
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sashae wrote:I was curious to see if Deshawn Stevenson is having the worst season ever as a SG in the NBA, with approximately his minutes played.
I searched for players with a PER under 5.0 (Deshawn: 3.6), FG% <= .300 (Deshawn: .283), 3P% <= .150 (Deshawn: .129), and MPG >= 15 (Deshawn: 16.8), then sorted by total minutes played (to figure out who was the least (effective) with the most (minutes)).
Happily for Deshawn, with only half the season gone he has earned only the second most minutes played -- if we include the ABA.
The legendary Richard C. Clark (not /the/ Dick Clark but yeah) of the '68-69 Houston Mavericks played 32 games off the bench, averaging 22.6 minutes. He shot 28.8% from 2, 12.5% from 3, and had a minutely superior PER of 3.8.
Deshawn has already passed such luminaries as the '07-'08 season that Eric Snow turned in for Cleveland, and the '98-99 season Matt Maloney "earned" for Houston.
Congratulations, Deshawn, you are the suck, and arguably the most overused bad guard in NBA history.
Butt heez such a good defenderz and plays with 10000% enrgy and knos hiz role!11!!
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I think he's just playin' possum so they don't guard him in the second half of the season.
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His FT% is Waaay up.
If you take away DS's 3P% he shoots better than 50%. Jamison's overall 3P% isn't bad, but when he makes ill-advised attempts in late game situations, it sets a bad example not only for the younger players, but for the veterans too.
The Minnesota trade's players have a .440 3P%; the rest of the team has a .302 3P%.
Denver's high scoring teams of the past often had good field, no hit players like Wayne Cooper and T.R. Dunn, as have other teams. Stevenson is taking it to the EXTREME.
If you take away DS's 3P% he shoots better than 50%. Jamison's overall 3P% isn't bad, but when he makes ill-advised attempts in late game situations, it sets a bad example not only for the younger players, but for the veterans too.
The Minnesota trade's players have a .440 3P%; the rest of the team has a .302 3P%.
Denver's high scoring teams of the past often had good field, no hit players like Wayne Cooper and T.R. Dunn, as have other teams. Stevenson is taking it to the EXTREME.
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Beating a dead horse here, but here's a screen of all players in the 3-point shooting era (post 1978) who have played at least 20 games and averaged at least 15 minutes per game, sorted by PER. Stevenson has the 4th worst PER of any regular rotation player in the modern era. Only Michael Curry, and Jason Collins (twice) have posted seasons with a lower PER.
I ran the same screen using eFG% instead of PER. Stevenson is having the 2nd worst shooting season in the modern era. Only Bruce Bowen has posted a lower eFG%. (Bowen shot .317. Stevenson is shooting .321)
After acknowledging that Bowen is one of the better perimeter defenders of all time, and that Collins was at least a serviceable defensive big man, one can conclude that Stevenson might actually be the worst regular rotation NBA player in modern history. It's him or Collins.
I ran the same screen using eFG% instead of PER. Stevenson is having the 2nd worst shooting season in the modern era. Only Bruce Bowen has posted a lower eFG%. (Bowen shot .317. Stevenson is shooting .321)
After acknowledging that Bowen is one of the better perimeter defenders of all time, and that Collins was at least a serviceable defensive big man, one can conclude that Stevenson might actually be the worst regular rotation NBA player in modern history. It's him or Collins.
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sashae wrote:I was curious to see if Deshawn Stevenson is having the worst season ever as a SG in the NBA, with approximately his minutes played.
I searched for players with a PER under 5.0 (Deshawn: 3.6), FG% <= .300 (Deshawn: .283), 3P% <= .150 (Deshawn: .129), and MPG >= 15 (Deshawn: 16.8), then sorted by total minutes played (to figure out who was the least (effective) with the most (minutes)).
Happily for Deshawn, with only half the season gone he has earned only the second most minutes played -- if we include the ABA.
The legendary Richard C. Clark (not /the/ Dick Clark but yeah) of the '68-69 Houston Mavericks played 32 games off the bench, averaging 22.6 minutes. He shot 28.8% from 2, 12.5% from 3, and had a minutely superior PER of 3.8.
Deshawn has already passed such luminaries as the '07-'08 season that Eric Snow turned in for Cleveland, and the '98-99 season Matt Maloney "earned" for Houston.
Congratulations, Deshawn, you are the suck, and arguably the most overused bad guard in NBA history.
So why does a good coach like Flip play him. Only answer I can come up with it that they do want to get ride of him that they have to play him in hopes of raising his value since he is sighed this year and next.
Nothing else make sense to me.
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Stevenson went 1-13 from the field on this road trip. If Stevenson somehow manages to continue to get minutes it's a slap in the face of just about any guard on the Wizards roster not named Gilbert Arenas.
How Stevenson is getting playing time is such a mystery that I'm seriously starting to question Saunders judgement.
If Stevenson plays more than 4-5 minutes a game from here on out we may as well forfeit the season because it's obvious that this team has absolutely not interested in getting any wins.
How Stevenson is getting playing time is such a mystery that I'm seriously starting to question Saunders judgement.
If Stevenson plays more than 4-5 minutes a game from here on out we may as well forfeit the season because it's obvious that this team has absolutely not interested in getting any wins.
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nate33 wrote:Beating a dead horse here, but here's a screen of all players in the 3-point shooting era (post 1978) who have played at least 20 games and averaged at least 15 minutes per game, sorted by PER. Stevenson has the 4th worst PER of any regular rotation player in the modern era. Only Michael Curry, and Jason Collins (twice) have posted seasons with a lower PER.
I ran the same screen using eFG% instead of PER. Stevenson is having the 2nd worst shooting season in the modern era. Only Bruce Bowen has posted a lower eFG%. (Bowen shot .317. Stevenson is shooting .321)
After acknowledging that Bowen is one of the better perimeter defenders of all time, and that Collins was at least a serviceable defensive big man, one can conclude that Stevenson might actually be the worst regular rotation NBA player in modern history. It's him or Collins.
LOL. Funny seeing Michael Ruffin on both lists!
As far DeShawn goes. I take credit for starting the DeSuck nickname years back. I was completely right on every single thing I've said about him and I expect someone to create a thread honoring my contribution to the board.

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Here, here! As the honored recipient of the first such (in the words of resident hater) superfluous thread, I'm going to take that and run with it Dat!
I think we ought to honor a poster weekly, particularly since we have to deal with the Wizards utter futility on a yearly basis.
Dat, you're next!
I think we ought to honor a poster weekly, particularly since we have to deal with the Wizards utter futility on a yearly basis.
Dat, you're next!
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Here, here! As the honored recipient of the first such (in the words of resident hater) superfluous thread, I'm going to take that and run with it Dat!
I think we ought to honor a poster weekly, particularly since we have to deal with the Wizards utter futility on a yearly basis.
Dat, you're next!
+1 Dat is deserving also, he gets my vote.

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Every single time I tune into a game, and they list the starting lineups, and I see his mug plastered next the to the SG slot, it just kills a good chunk of my enthusiasm for the game. It's not that he's starting in and of itself, but the fact that it's a guarantee that he's not getting a DNP:CD on the night. The first time each night that Stevenson checks in, it's like a shining beacon, letting everyone know that all is not right with the organization, that your expectations should be lowered, that the team is not yet ready to attempt to perform up to your preseason expectations. Though I suppose I should thank them, it's kind of a kindness for them to fire off that warning flare right at the tip off, save me the trouble of bothering to get invested early only to have my hope smashed.
[Did you know the team is 2-1 when Stevenson gets 0 minutes, as he should? And 2-2 in 1-9 minutes, which is borderline tolerable on some nights? Yet only 4-14 in 10+ minutes, which makes you wonder if Flip's elementary school teachers regularly scrawled "Needs to improve critical thinking" on his report cards?
[Did you know the team is 2-1 when Stevenson gets 0 minutes, as he should? And 2-2 in 1-9 minutes, which is borderline tolerable on some nights? Yet only 4-14 in 10+ minutes, which makes you wonder if Flip's elementary school teachers regularly scrawled "Needs to improve critical thinking" on his report cards?
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Dat2U wrote:nate33 wrote:Beating a dead horse here, but here's a screen of all players in the 3-point shooting era (post 1978) who have played at least 20 games and averaged at least 15 minutes per game, sorted by PER. Stevenson has the 4th worst PER of any regular rotation player in the modern era. Only Michael Curry, and Jason Collins (twice) have posted seasons with a lower PER.
I ran the same screen using eFG% instead of PER. Stevenson is having the 2nd worst shooting season in the modern era. Only Bruce Bowen has posted a lower eFG%. (Bowen shot .317. Stevenson is shooting .321)
After acknowledging that Bowen is one of the better perimeter defenders of all time, and that Collins was at least a serviceable defensive big man, one can conclude that Stevenson might actually be the worst regular rotation NBA player in modern history. It's him or Collins.
LOL. Funny seeing Michael Ruffin on both lists!
As far DeShawn goes. I take credit for starting the DeSuck nickname years back. I was completely right on every single thing I've said about him and I expect someone to create a thread honoring my contribution to the board.
While this board is collectively patting ourselves in the back, I'd also like to take credit as one of the few who was completely against resigning DeBrick, saying that we could have gotten a guy like Devin Brown for the minimum and equal if not better production.
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MJG wrote:Every single time I tune into a game, and they list the starting lineups, and I see his mug plastered next the to the SG slot, it just kills a good chunk of my enthusiasm for the game. It's not that he's starting in and of itself, but the fact that it's a guarantee that he's not getting a DNP:CD on the night. The first time each night that Stevenson checks in, it's like a shining beacon, letting everyone know that all is not right with the organization, that your expectations should be lowered, that the team is not yet ready to attempt to perform up to your preseason expectations. Though I suppose I should thank them, it's kind of a kindness for them to fire off that warning flare right at the tip off, save me the trouble of bothering to get invested early only to have my hope smashed.
[Did you know the team is 2-1 when Stevenson gets 0 minutes, as he should? And 2-2 in 1-9 minutes, which is borderline tolerable on some nights? Yet only 4-14 in 10+ minutes, which makes you wonder if Flip's elementary school teachers regularly scrawled "Needs to improve critical thinking" on his report cards?
This is exactly what Im getting at. I feel the same way when I see the starting line ups. Its like, ok, this sucks. New coach same as the old coach. To be fair, I and many other slammed EJ for years over this. I can't believe it has come to this so quickly after all the hope I had for us under Flip but... If EJ was an idiot for doing it, then so is Flip.
The only thing that gives me any hope is to believe he is being asked to do this because they so want to get ride of him that they are praying he snaps out of totally sucking to just being really bad so they can package him in a trade. Hey, we took MJames in a package like that.
I really hope this is the reason. If not, Flip is a total idiot also and we are doomed.
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jholmbe1 wrote:No idea how this thread was five pages back, i feel like it should be locked on the front page.
anyways, there is a lot of talk about how bad stevenson is on this board, justifiably so. i just looked up his numbers and they have to be better than last year since he was injured with a bad back and is healthy now. I mean they have to be better than the 31.2% fg and the 27.1% from 3-point land he shot last season. Those numbers are just dreadful but I am sure they are better this year especially since he has Gil to set him up...
NOPE...Stevenson is shooting 28.3% from the field and 12.9% from 3-point.
can't really say I'm surprised by this. What I am surprised about is how Flip
could have him starting. It's dare I say it, Jordan-esque. Hard to insult Flip
any worse than that. Nick has been solid enough to deserve much better.
Maybe after his showing in the PHO game, Flip will come to his senses.
Or maybe they're trying to 'showcase' deBrickashawn. Hard to imagine anyone
wanting him. The last good thing DeBrick did was p!ss off Queenie to the point
where he hurt himself. That was what, a month ago?
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miller31time wrote:Dat2U wrote:nate33 wrote:Beating a dead horse here, but here's a screen of all players in the 3-point shooting era (post 1978) who have played at least 20 games and averaged at least 15 minutes per game, sorted by PER. Stevenson has the 4th worst PER of any regular rotation player in the modern era. Only Michael Curry, and Jason Collins (twice) have posted seasons with a lower PER.
I ran the same screen using eFG% instead of PER. Stevenson is having the 2nd worst shooting season in the modern era. Only Bruce Bowen has posted a lower eFG%. (Bowen shot .317. Stevenson is shooting .321)
After acknowledging that Bowen is one of the better perimeter defenders of all time, and that Collins was at least a serviceable defensive big man, one can conclude that Stevenson might actually be the worst regular rotation NBA player in modern history. It's him or Collins.
LOL. Funny seeing Michael Ruffin on both lists!
As far DeShawn goes. I take credit for starting the DeSuck nickname years back. I was completely right on every single thing I've said about him and I expect someone to create a thread honoring my contribution to the board.
While this board is collectively patting ourselves in the back, I'd also like to take credit as one of the few who was completely against resigning DeBrick, saying that we could have gotten a guy like Devin Brown for the minimum and equal if not better production.
Were there only a few that didn't want him? Hell, I thought is was most. Well, chalk me up as being one of the few also. I didn't realize we were in the majority on that one. Hell, I always wanted Gil playing SG so dame sure didn't want DSleezy there.