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I just saw the last five mins of the game. The Wizards were out-rebounded 46-30.
Looks like Livingston had a very nice night, stat-wise. I found it telling that Foye was playing mop-up minutes in a blow out loss, not Livingston or Boykins.
Looks like Livingston had a very nice night, stat-wise. I found it telling that Foye was playing mop-up minutes in a blow out loss, not Livingston or Boykins.
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keynote I was just about to post that Randy Foye seems to be playing his way out of a contract offer.
Likewise, Mike Miller hasn't hit more than 1 three point shot in any game in the past 8 games. As a matter of fact, he's only hit 3 or 4 total the past 8 games. Miller didn't shoot from three again today. Neither of the guys the Wizards traded the 5th pick for are looking good at all.
My guy McGee got killed.
To all I've offended by being so adament that I think Javale can play, one thing I could see the Wizards doing if they end up drafting Cousins, Whiteside, or Aldridge is trading Javale for an established young player like Harden. (Not sure Parakhouski's ready to be a starting C right away.) Don't know how it would turn out, but the Wizards could draft a true C and pick up a high pick for Javale at the same time.
Best thing about the loss to Orlando is that Sean Livingston looks to be returning to form.
Likewise, Mike Miller hasn't hit more than 1 three point shot in any game in the past 8 games. As a matter of fact, he's only hit 3 or 4 total the past 8 games. Miller didn't shoot from three again today. Neither of the guys the Wizards traded the 5th pick for are looking good at all.
My guy McGee got killed.
To all I've offended by being so adament that I think Javale can play, one thing I could see the Wizards doing if they end up drafting Cousins, Whiteside, or Aldridge is trading Javale for an established young player like Harden. (Not sure Parakhouski's ready to be a starting C right away.) Don't know how it would turn out, but the Wizards could draft a true C and pick up a high pick for Javale at the same time.
Best thing about the loss to Orlando is that Sean Livingston looks to be returning to form.
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I can't really judge this game after 3 in 3 nights. Javale needs another year to buik up, but I'm guessing he'll never really be a back to the basket 5. Maybe a face-the basket 5/4, but he has to get stronger and not just rely on his length to keep guys out of the paint.
If you draft Cousins, I'd still keep Javale. Remember when we traded Sheed for Strickland? There's nothing wrong with having too many bigs.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:keynote I was just about to post that Randy Foye seems to be playing his way out of a contract offer.
Likewise, Mike Miller hasn't hit more than 1 three point shot in any game in the past 8 games. As a matter of fact, he's only hit 3 or 4 total the past 8 games. Miller didn't shoot from three again today. Neither of the guys the Wizards traded the 5th pick for are looking good at all.
My guy McGee got killed.
To all I've offended by being so adament that I think Javale can play, one thing I could see the Wizards doing if they end up drafting Cousins, Whiteside, or Aldridge is trading Javale for an established young player like Harden. (Not sure Parakhouski's ready to be a starting C right away.) Don't know how it would turn out, but the Wizards could draft a true C and pick up a high pick for Javale at the same time.
Best thing about the loss to Orlando is that Sean Livingston looks to be returning to form.
I can't really judge this game after 3 in 3 nights. Javale needs another year to buik up, but I'm guessing he'll never really be a back to the basket 5. Maybe a face-the basket 5/4, but he has to get stronger and not just rely on his length to keep guys out of the paint.
If you draft Cousins, I'd still keep Javale. Remember when we traded Sheed for Strickland? There's nothing wrong with having too many bigs.
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80sballboy wrote:k wChocolate City Jordanaire wrote:keynote I was just about to post that Randy Foye seems to be playing his way out of a contract offer.
Likewise, Mike Miller hasn't hit more than 1 three point shot in any game in the past 8 games. As a matter of fact, he's only hit 3 or 4 total the past 8 games. Miller didn't shoot from three again today. Neither of the guys the Wizards traded the 5th pick for are looking good at all.
My guy McGee got killed.
To all I've offended by being so adament that I think Javale can play, one thing I could see the Wizards doing if they end up drafting Cousins, Whiteside, or Aldridge is trading Javale for an established young player like Harden. (Not sure Parakhouski's ready to be a starting C right away.) Don't know how it would turn out, but the Wizards could draft a true C and pick up a high pick for Javale at the same time.
Best thing about the loss to Orlando is that Sean Livingston looks to be returning to form.
I can't really judge this game after 3 in 3 nights. Javale needs another year to buik up, but I'm guessing he'll never really be a back to the basket 5. Maybe a face-the basket 5/4, but he has to get stronger and not just rely on his length to keep guys out of the paint.
If you draft Cousins, I'd still keep Javale. Remember when we traded Sheed for Strickland? There's nothing wrong with having too many bigs.
+1, we have two "bigs", & we need another while we wait on McGee to fill-out. There will also be other nights where the match-ups favor the McGee Blatche combo.
Someone said that SL was signed for the rest of the season, is he not just signed for another 10-day?
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My thoughts are you don't need too many young bigs.
All the talk about Cousins being on meds, having had a history of coach abuse/immaturity, etc. has me thinking if he's the pick you pair him with a mentor big. (But then again Flip will start that guy ... I dunno.) I think Flip's just too into abusing young guys (CBA all star, maybe, was his comment about Javale the game after the 8 dunk game. Can't wait to read how he disparaged McGee tonight). With Cousins, my thinking is he's so good that even Flip will see that and play him. But him AND Javale ... no way. 80s, I hear you on not having too many bigs. I just think like Dat that Whiteside will be a true defensive C. I'm not huge on Aldridge, but he can play C in the NBA and be solid. I'm down with having two solid young bigs plus a solid veteran big.
I'll be fine if we just get McGee back for another season with Blatche, both penciled in as starters.
Livingston's still on a 10-day. I think he's really helping his cause to stay the rest of the season.
All the talk about Cousins being on meds, having had a history of coach abuse/immaturity, etc. has me thinking if he's the pick you pair him with a mentor big. (But then again Flip will start that guy ... I dunno.) I think Flip's just too into abusing young guys (CBA all star, maybe, was his comment about Javale the game after the 8 dunk game. Can't wait to read how he disparaged McGee tonight). With Cousins, my thinking is he's so good that even Flip will see that and play him. But him AND Javale ... no way. 80s, I hear you on not having too many bigs. I just think like Dat that Whiteside will be a true defensive C. I'm not huge on Aldridge, but he can play C in the NBA and be solid. I'm down with having two solid young bigs plus a solid veteran big.
I'll be fine if we just get McGee back for another season with Blatche, both penciled in as starters.
Livingston's still on a 10-day. I think he's really helping his cause to stay the rest of the season.
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Missed the game. Looks like bad rebounding, Gee leading w/5 in just 12 minutes. Is that fatigue? Stat lines of Livingston and Gee jump out. I see some comments on Livinston's D; any other views on it, with his extended run tonight? When people talk about keeping him, I imagine him at PG and Arenas at SG, and that could be a bad defensive backcourt, based on some of the comments I saw.
Bass got some minutes and scored a bit for Orlando, which is unusual (I always thought he could give them a different look, having another bruiser to take pressure off Howard). Was he scoring on McGee?
Bass got some minutes and scored a bit for Orlando, which is unusual (I always thought he could give them a different look, having another bruiser to take pressure off Howard). Was he scoring on McGee?
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Its Official: Blatche Is Legit!!!
Its been 14 games since the trade now. What more do people need to see? Sure you can say wait until next year but there is no way he is going to play like this now and just totally fall off the map next year. Its also been more than 14 games because he's been playing well going back to his suspension.
There are still things he needs to work on, mostly his energy on a nightly basis but again, Im not going to kill him for that this year since he's carrying such a heavy load, playing huge minutes, and we have a crazy sked right now so I know he has to be dead tired.
I made this thread for 2 reasons. 1 is for the idiot fans on other teams who keep saying he is a fluke stat padding on a bad team and wait until teams figure him out. The other reason I made it is because of what Ive been seeing lately and wondering do you all see it?
What I am seeing is Blatche being treated by the opponents like he is Shaq & MJ rolled into one. Not even Kobe or Lebron right now are seeing the doubles & tripples and designed defenses to stop him. Its crazy right now. Half of that is due to him beasting and the other half is due to the rest of our players sucking. The only one you can kinda count on right now is Thorton while everyone else plays like 1 good game out of 4 so teams know that Blatche is the only guy you have to worry about yet he is still dominating.
Not only is he putting up numbers but its how he's doing it. When AJ use to score 30 he would seem like he took every shot, it was a 1 man team, and he had to do so much to get it. Blatche makes it look easy when he gets 30, yet he does it within the frame work of the Offense, and keeps everyone involved. Teams also didnt double AJ like this because its like they wanted him to score alot because he looked like a black hole doing it which often hurt more than help.
Most impressivley though is that Blatche is doing this basically one on one every play. I mean he gets no easy points. He actually has to score himself every time because we lack threats and our PG's suck. He doesnt hardly get any bunnies or freebies. Imagine if he didnt get doubled, had other weapons on the team, and had a real PG? He would probably average 30ppg. If we start Livingston he may average 30. Its just so impressive to me and again, he's doing this against the #1 D in the league in the Magic & Howard, doing it against KG, doing it against K-Mart, Nene, Jefferson, Love, Noah, Josh Smith who some say is the DPOY, Lee, Lopez, and so on. Its just crazy.
The sad part is that the refs still treat him like he's some 12th man on the bench. He's doing this while getting no calls every game. Man, if he works hard this offseason then he could be the X factor that makes us go from last straight back to the playoffs when you add Gil and another player or 2. I just thought it was insane how these great defensive teams & players are shifting there whole D towards him, and as soon as he touches it he's got guys coming. What would he do without all that? Still, its great that he's experincing this for the future. I cant wait to see him next year and I hope that Flip puts him out there with Livingston more so he can get some easier stuff
Its been 14 games since the trade now. What more do people need to see? Sure you can say wait until next year but there is no way he is going to play like this now and just totally fall off the map next year. Its also been more than 14 games because he's been playing well going back to his suspension.
There are still things he needs to work on, mostly his energy on a nightly basis but again, Im not going to kill him for that this year since he's carrying such a heavy load, playing huge minutes, and we have a crazy sked right now so I know he has to be dead tired.
I made this thread for 2 reasons. 1 is for the idiot fans on other teams who keep saying he is a fluke stat padding on a bad team and wait until teams figure him out. The other reason I made it is because of what Ive been seeing lately and wondering do you all see it?
What I am seeing is Blatche being treated by the opponents like he is Shaq & MJ rolled into one. Not even Kobe or Lebron right now are seeing the doubles & tripples and designed defenses to stop him. Its crazy right now. Half of that is due to him beasting and the other half is due to the rest of our players sucking. The only one you can kinda count on right now is Thorton while everyone else plays like 1 good game out of 4 so teams know that Blatche is the only guy you have to worry about yet he is still dominating.
Not only is he putting up numbers but its how he's doing it. When AJ use to score 30 he would seem like he took every shot, it was a 1 man team, and he had to do so much to get it. Blatche makes it look easy when he gets 30, yet he does it within the frame work of the Offense, and keeps everyone involved. Teams also didnt double AJ like this because its like they wanted him to score alot because he looked like a black hole doing it which often hurt more than help.
Most impressivley though is that Blatche is doing this basically one on one every play. I mean he gets no easy points. He actually has to score himself every time because we lack threats and our PG's suck. He doesnt hardly get any bunnies or freebies. Imagine if he didnt get doubled, had other weapons on the team, and had a real PG? He would probably average 30ppg. If we start Livingston he may average 30. Its just so impressive to me and again, he's doing this against the #1 D in the league in the Magic & Howard, doing it against KG, doing it against K-Mart, Nene, Jefferson, Love, Noah, Josh Smith who some say is the DPOY, Lee, Lopez, and so on. Its just crazy.
The sad part is that the refs still treat him like he's some 12th man on the bench. He's doing this while getting no calls every game. Man, if he works hard this offseason then he could be the X factor that makes us go from last straight back to the playoffs when you add Gil and another player or 2. I just thought it was insane how these great defensive teams & players are shifting there whole D towards him, and as soon as he touches it he's got guys coming. What would he do without all that? Still, its great that he's experincing this for the future. I cant wait to see him next year and I hope that Flip puts him out there with Livingston more so he can get some easier stuff
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miller31time wrote:A cute puppy dies ever time Ron Thompson tries to make a point.
So true, there should be an amazingly sucky comcast postgame show thread... not that I watch it but it's annoying to hear their promo during the game.
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^^^^^GREAT POST^^^^^^
I agree with everything you say, thats why when he started playing this well, I threw out the Duncan-KG comparisons. And its almost like he is a mix of both...Like you said, Blatche makes it look so easy, he doesnt force much. He really does a good job of taking what the defense gives him. And that is really an attribute of greatness.
What I have also been looking for, is whether or not he makes his teammates better,and whether he will do everything it takes to win. And he is doing both, he really makes his teammates better. He is a really willing passer, he also runs the floor and makes his teammates better. His conditioning needs work, but he knows this and will put in the work to be completely ready for the responsibility of being a number one option. Just imagine if his body was prepared to log the minutes it has. His numbers would be crazy. Its almost as if Blatche coasts because he knows he can get whatever he wants whenever.
The most exciting thing is that he has a lot of things to improve on. His ceiling is so high right now. Just imagine if his teammates had a better understanding of how to use Blatche being shadowed and doubled. We dont move the ball fast enough, but it will come. Imagine if Livingston would start, and imagine if he was in shape.
This guy is already good enough in my opinion, to be an All-Star every year, but will he continue to build on that, and learn to be GREAT... All arrows are pointing towards the latter.
Man its not enough words to describe how good he can be right now.
I agree with everything you say, thats why when he started playing this well, I threw out the Duncan-KG comparisons. And its almost like he is a mix of both...Like you said, Blatche makes it look so easy, he doesnt force much. He really does a good job of taking what the defense gives him. And that is really an attribute of greatness.
What I have also been looking for, is whether or not he makes his teammates better,and whether he will do everything it takes to win. And he is doing both, he really makes his teammates better. He is a really willing passer, he also runs the floor and makes his teammates better. His conditioning needs work, but he knows this and will put in the work to be completely ready for the responsibility of being a number one option. Just imagine if his body was prepared to log the minutes it has. His numbers would be crazy. Its almost as if Blatche coasts because he knows he can get whatever he wants whenever.
The most exciting thing is that he has a lot of things to improve on. His ceiling is so high right now. Just imagine if his teammates had a better understanding of how to use Blatche being shadowed and doubled. We dont move the ball fast enough, but it will come. Imagine if Livingston would start, and imagine if he was in shape.
This guy is already good enough in my opinion, to be an All-Star every year, but will he continue to build on that, and learn to be GREAT... All arrows are pointing towards the latter.
Man its not enough words to describe how good he can be right now.
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Quality loss. That was the most entertaining blow out I can remember.
Start Liv..already
Keep Gee around
Actually Id like to see them both start next game
Start Liv..already
Keep Gee around
Actually Id like to see them both start next game
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The thing that makes it even more impressive is that no offfense to anyone but we play in probably the most by the book Offense in the NBA. I mean everything is halfcourt with long drawn out plays. This is a traditional offense. He's not doing this on the Knicks, Warriors, Suns, or teams like that where you can just throw up numbers
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Blatche is a nightmare for 4s in the Eastern Conference.
With that type of mismatch on our side, we will be a better team next season.
As much as AJ scored, he didn't have that nightmare match up ability to go along with 20 and 10... Andray does and he will dominate guys like AJ or Rashard Lewis playing the 4
With that type of mismatch on our side, we will be a better team next season.
As much as AJ scored, he didn't have that nightmare match up ability to go along with 20 and 10... Andray does and he will dominate guys like AJ or Rashard Lewis playing the 4

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FAH1223 wrote:
As much as AJ scored, he didn't have that nightmare match up ability to go along with 20 and 10... Andray does and he will dominate guys like AJ or Rashard Lewis playing the 4
Yup, AJ could never provide an overall great matchup against 4's. He could score but his defense against even the most mediocre 4's was just awful.
Blatche is definitely for real. Such a smooth player. But at the same time, you gotta give credit to guys like AJ and Haywood. With the way he came in the league, he would not be here if he didn't have two professionals like that to train against