If Gil joined the Wiz with a better HC. Breakout Year

[Silvie Lysandra]

. Sadly what we are missing is Haywood. The trade I hatted the most. I though Haywood, McGee and Dray were the untouchables.

But how does McGee develop with Haywood taking 30-36 mpg at C and Blatche taking 30-36 mpg at PF? Haywood had to go; he's a nice piece for a contending team, but we have to hope a guy like Seraphin develops into a Haywood or Perkins type (except he can be better than both because he has PF skills and is WAY more athletic)

[Spence]

. Sadly what we are missing is Haywood. The trade I hatted the most. I though Haywood, McGee and Dray were the untouchables.

But how does McGee develop with Haywood taking 30-36 mpg at C

He doesn't. And the team doesn't move the Butler and Stevenson contracts without including Haywood. So, yes, he had to go.

He was going anyway at the end of the season. The Wizards lost nothing by trading Haywood. They gained a lot of future cap flexibility.

[Zonkerbl]

Dudes, don't get your hopes up. This is how the first game of the season goes down.

Arenas gambles in the passing lanes for a steal and fails, his man blows by and Wall fouls him on the way to an "And One." Wall gets in Arenas' face for being an idiot on defense, Gilbert throws a hissy fit and refuses to shoot the rest of the game. After the game in the lockerroom Wall and Gil get in a fight and Wall breaks Gil's jaw, out for the season.

[rockymac52]

Dudes, don't get your hopes up. This is how the first game of the season goes down.

Arenas gambles in the passing lanes for a steal and fails, his man blows by and Wall fouls him on the way to an "And One." Wall gets in Arenas' face for being an idiot on defense, Gilbert throws a hissy fit and refuses to shoot the rest of the game. After the game in the lockerroom Wall and Gil get in a fight and Wall breaks Gil's jaw, out for the season.

And then he says "You'll thank me a year from now when we have Harrison Barnes on our roster."

[AceDegenerate]

Dudes, don't get your hopes up. This is how the first game of the season goes down.

Arenas gambles in the passing lanes for a steal and fails, his man blows by and Wall fouls him on the way to an "And One." Wall gets in Arenas' face for being an idiot on defense, Gilbert throws a hissy fit and refuses to shoot the rest of the game. After the game in the lockerroom Wall and Gil get in a fight and Wall breaks Gil's jaw, out for the season.

Right, because Arenas has shown to be a terrible teammate. Have you even watched him play before?

DeShawn Stevenson owes his 10+ million contract to Gilbert. Larry Hughes owes his 60+ million contract to Gilbert. Antawn Jamison owes his All Star appearances to Arenas. Caron Butler owes his All Star appearances to Arenas. Since when has he been such a bad teammate?

Arenas has thrown hissy fits, sure. But 100% of the time this is between him and the Coach.

The ridiculous lies coming about Arenas since January 6th, now even from Wizards fans, are pathetic.

[DaRealHibachi]

Zonker was kiddin dude, lighten up a bit...

[Mecca]

Just wondering for Build a team purposes... Do you guys think Arenas can play the 2 guard full time, with a guy like Deron Williams running the point?

Also, will Arenas be your starting 2 guard on opening day?

[hands11]

. Sadly what we are missing is Haywood. The trade I hatted the most. I though Haywood, McGee and Dray were the untouchables.

But how does McGee develop with Haywood taking 30-36 mpg at C

He doesn't. And the team doesn't move the Butler and Stevenson contracts without including Haywood. So, yes, he had to go.

He was going anyway at the end of the season. The Wizards lost nothing by trading Haywood. They gained a lot of future cap flexibility.

I get why we did it but he was still the one I least wanted to see moved.

As for how McGee would develop with Haywood here. He would have developed as a back up center and power forward. But then you would have needed to be willing to sign Haywood longer which he just did for 6 years 55M. It's a decent deal for someone like him but it is a commitment. You could have used him for a few years and then moved him. I would have wanted a deal more in the 4 or 5 year range. But we didn't take that road.

Looks like we needed to include him in the deal to move CB and Sleez. It is what it is. Hopefully it works out for us. Hard to figure out all the things that would have been different if we keep him so I'm not going to stress my brain thinking about it because it doesn't matter. He is gone and we have moved on.

[Wizardspride]

Just wondering for Build a team purposes... Do you guys think Arenas can play the 2 guard full time, with a guy like Deron Williams running the point?

Also, will Arenas be your starting 2 guard on opening day?

1.)Yes

2.)Yes.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yup, yup regarding Gil.

hands: I think this team won't miss Haywood. Too many running bigs now. I think I see Wizardynasty's point on some of the limitations Brendan had. Haywood is a brilliant man and team defender. McGee is epically sucktastic defensively and surely, there's a donut hole in the middle of the Wizards as far as defense goes. However, looking at McGee and Yi can do offensively, along with considering Seraphin's potential; I like the future moving forward without Brendan. John Wall is going to run and he's going to throw the ball up there and all three of the young guys are going to get it better than Haywood could.

What I can't wait to see is Haywood defending them.

(Wizardspride. I like how you did your location. MD is my original home and as much as I love it here, it belongs on my location. I'm gonna change my location to reflect my Ft. Washington roots. )

[verbal8]

Yup, yup regarding Gil.

hands: I think this team won't miss Haywood. Too many running bigs now. I think I see Wizardynasty's point on some of the limitations Brendan had. Haywood is a brilliant man and team defender. McGee is epically sucktastic defensively and surely, there's a donut hole in the middle of the Wizards as far as defense goes. However, looking at McGee and Yi can do offensively, along with considering Seraphin's potential; I like the future moving forward without Brendan. John Wall is going to run and he's going to throw the ball up there and all three of the young guys are going to get it better than Haywood could.

What I can't wait to see is Haywood defending them.

(Wizardspride. I like how you did your location. MD is my original home and as much as I love it here, it belongs on my location. I'm gonna change my location to reflect my Ft. Washington roots. )

I think signing Haywood would not have meant taking a different path. It would have been a get to the play-offs now and figure out the future later. Basically if the Wizards had not acquired Yi and Hinrich, they maybe could have signed Haywood and Livingston. I think that would have made the team a little better in the short term, but I don't see how that team really becomes a contender.

[verbal8]

Yup, yup regarding Gil.

hands: I think this team won't miss Haywood. Too many running bigs now. I think I see Wizardynasty's point on some of the limitations Brendan had. Haywood is a brilliant man and team defender. McGee is epically sucktastic defensively and surely, there's a donut hole in the middle of the Wizards as far as defense goes. However, looking at McGee and Yi can do offensively, along with considering Seraphin's potential; I like the future moving forward without Brendan. John Wall is going to run and he's going to throw the ball up there and all three of the young guys are going to get it better than Haywood could.

I think signing Haywood would not have meant taking a different path. It would have been a get to the play-offs now and figure out the future later. Basically if the Wizards had not acquired Yi and Hinrich, they maybe could have signed Haywood and Livingston. I think that would have made the team a little better in the short term, but I don't see how that team really becomes a contender.

[hands11]

Yup, yup regarding Gil.

hands: I think this team won't miss Haywood. Too many running bigs now. I think I see Wizardynasty's point on some of the limitations Brendan had. Haywood is a brilliant man and team defender. McGee is epically sucktastic defensively and surely, there's a donut hole in the middle of the Wizards as far as defense goes. However, looking at McGee and Yi can do offensively, along with considering Seraphin's potential; I like the future moving forward without Brendan. John Wall is going to run and he's going to throw the ball up there and all three of the young guys are going to get it better than Haywood could.

What I can't wait to see is Haywood defending them.

(Wizardspride. I like how you did your location. MD is my original home and as much as I love it here, it belongs on my location. I'm gonna change my location to reflect my Ft. Washington roots. )

Oh, I'm there. There is something to be said for the direction we took. I'm not bent over loosing Haywood but I did really hate to see him go. If we could have got him for 3 years at 10Mil that would have been solid. But Haywood signed for five. That is to much for what we are doing.

But as excited as I am to see what we have, we need to see what we have. I'm really hoping Seraphin fills the void. He is a lot cheaper but a lot less experienced. I believe he will give us something this year but its going to take him 2-3 years to get really solid consistently. We had McGee either way and I think McGee at his best is going to be at 25 minutes energy guy until he learns to play some defense at either center or power forward. Haywood isn't as explosive offensively but he could run and he played solid D. Something we need.

We gave up a longer term commitments and more money for questions, potential and flexibility. I like the potential but that is all it is right now.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

We gave up a longer term commitments and more money for questions, potential and flexibility. I like the potential but that is all it is right now.

Agreed.