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Hire a new medical staff
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Is there any place to get data on injured players, type of injury, games missed, initial return estimates, etc? Would love to be able to quantify the crappiness.
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Wiz just tweeted the Gil is back practicing today.
Good news from practice. Arenas is back and participating after sitting out the last two days.
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pineappleheadindc wrote:Wiz just tweeted the Gil is back practicing today.
Good news from practice. Arenas is back and participating after sitting out the last two days.
Real good news, I hope he's ready to go Tuesday, he needs to get some good minutes in Preseason after sitting out so long.
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Krizko Zero wrote:pineappleheadindc wrote:Wiz just tweeted the Gil is back practicing today.
Good news from practice. Arenas is back and participating after sitting out the last two days.
Real good news, I hope he's ready to go Tuesday, he needs to get some good minutes in Preseason after sitting out so long.
No-way, let him rest the injuries, it's just pre-season.
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I don't necessarily mean for him to start, or even to play significant minutes, I just worry about him being completely limited in pre-season and re-injuring himself once the season starts.
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I consider any minor, non-knee-related injury to Gil to be a blessing in disguise. If he can get a couple of days of rest every now and then due to a twisted ankle or sprained thumb, it can only help the ongoing rehab of his knee.
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:No doubt in my mind the Wizards medical staff cost Gil a bit of his career. Yes, he's to blame for rushing back, too.
However, I remember seeing players like Jason Kidd come back from microfracture surgery with a big-picture approach. Slow and steady recovery. I recall posting in this forum that coming back with limited minutes, no matter how good a player feels is the best way to go. I used a comparison of baseball pitchers coming back from surgery with a pitch count. But the Wizards were STUPID.
I will NEVER forget EJ playing Gil over 40 minutes per game the first few games of a season between his second and third surgery. I posted before GIl went out again that the approach the medical staff and coaching were taking were a recipe for a lasting, perhaps career-ending injury.
Gil is a player and is somewhat responsible, as Grant Hill was in Detroit, for trying to play through and coming back too soon. OTOH, the Phoenix strength coach, their medical staff, and guys like Tim Grover have such expertise and authority that they get guys like Hill, Shaq, etc to LISTEN.
Amare Stoudemire would be blind today in one eye had he played for the Wizards. Their medical staff would let him play with blood and puss oozing out of his eyeball.
Irony: Gil and Javaris both screwed over by the medical staff.
People dumped on Gil hard last year for speaking out & blaming the medical staff. But the fact is this. GIL WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STEP ON AN NBA COURT IF HE WASN'T CLEARED TO PLAY! Who cleared him to play? Who cleared a guy to play when his leg had atrophied to the point that Tim Grover said his leg was in horrific shape last summer?
On top of that I clearly remember (b/c I went to the game) the Boston home game in November of 2007 (Gil's first comeback attempt) when we got thrashed by Boston. I mean they thoroughly whipped our butt, maybe by like 25. Nevertheless, Eddie Jordan apparently wanted to send a message to his starters and left them all out there to rot during the entire 4th quarter of a non-competitive game. Gilbert played over 40 minutes that night on a gimpy leg of game that was a blowout the entire 2nd half. It was just awful to see. I officially hated EJ after that night and was screaming a 'fire Eddie' chant by the end of the night.
Over the years, I've seen player after player throw the medical staff under the bus. Going all the way back to Jerry Stackhouse & Rip Hamilton. Keynote remarked about the Pistons medical staff. The same medical staff that had to give Rip corrective surgery & a fit him with a mask for the rest of his playing career b/c the Wiz doctors bungled the procedure to fix his broken nose.
There's been at least half a dozen players that spoke out against the Wizards staff, and another half dozen where conclusions can be legitimately drawn about our medical staff's incompetence which may have impacted players' careers. (see Jarvis, Pech, even Kwame)
One of the biggest failings of the local media is the fact that they've ignored this story for years. If Teddy Leonsis hasn't done anything about this yet, I'd honestly be shocked & disappointed.