Official Thread - Wizards at Cavaliers Preseason (10/7/10)

[Wizardspride]

Anyone listen to the post-game? Hard to get a sense of how Booker & Seraphin did by the stats.

I listened to the entire game and they both played fairly well. Particularly, Booker.

[Ruzious]

He had about the lowest turnover rate in the game. Maybe you think it's cool to talk smack about Jamison because the Wiz are playing the Cavs, but it's not. It's lame; it's stupid; it's moronic.

Like I said, check the numbers.

Jamison finished 299th in the NBA in assist/turnover ratio and took 7.7 shots for every 1 assist last year. I guess he was selfish and didn't play defense but didn't turn the ball over too much. Whoop-de-do.

Sorry if the facts are lame, stupid and moronic. At the end of the day, Blatche was an upgrade over Jamison.

Wrong, champ. The fact is that when he was here, he did his job on offense. We went over this last year. Before he was traded, he easily was their most efficient scorer - over Arenas, Blatche, and Butler - even with him being over-used and getting badly fatigued in his last few games. His role was to be a scorer; not a play-maker. Him scoring efficiently was him doing his job. You can't make a case for a player being selfish when he's being the most efficient scorer on the team and doing what his coach wants him to.

[dlts20]

Ruzious, Thanks. The only time I get it right is by luck. Which way do you do it?

[willbcocks]

I liked AJ while he was here and I like the fact that he's gone.

More importantly...why, why do you toy with our hearts Adam Morrison?

[willbcocks]

Rebounding was bad, but Wizards held Cleveland to .353 shooting. Cavs had 18 assists and 23 turnovers.

Wizards had 25 assists and only 13 turnovers with 11 steals. This is going to be a very good defensive team, potentially.

We are going to have much better ball movement this year than we did with Gil being the main playmaker. I don't think that'll lead to greater efficiency on the offensive end this year, but it should in the future, and I think it'll be more fun to watch. It should also lead to everyone being more active on the defensive end, as ball movement on O means foot movement on D.

I've never bought an NBA jersey before but I'm buying a Wall bullets jersey as soon as possible. Kwame Brown, I am officially OVER you!

[Hoopalotta]

Nick's stat line looks about right for what we'd want of him this year in the "well, look, somebody's got to play small forward anyway" school of thinking. He shot five three pointers out of six shots, hopefully with those coming off the catch. He doesn't need to improve exactly, it's more that offensively, he just needs to stop doing, uhm, just about everything he does other than spot up shooting. As to rebounding, well, let's be realistic here.....

Thornton's scoring was lively (going by the box score) and he can run well enough to keep up with the program in the full court. But, Country Strong is not a guy for whom it's coming naturally to finish plays created by others. He's probably best on a bad team that needs a hot-n'-cold burst scorer to create off the bench and I'm not sure if that fits well here. He would have made more sense on a Wiz team with worse lottery luck. He's our best match-up with 3's at the moment, but I don't know about the catch and shoot aspect, and if you can't catch and shoot, the fit's not great with our guards. He probably shoots off the dribble about as well as off the catch, with neither being terribly efficient.

But, even when Howard comes back, it would still be quite convenient for one of these guys to fit within the schemes as a stop gap 20 minute guy. And, when you figure on some later injuries, it might be that we need both doing something.

[verbal8]

I liked AJ while he was here and I like the fact that he's gone.

Jamison was an important part of the play-off teams the Wizards had. However his poor defense was also a significant contribution to the recent bad seasons. You can't really say that Jamison is a ball-hog because he dribbles so little. You could make an argument that he is "shot jacker", but when he shooting efficiently is that a bad thing. Also on the bad Wizards teams were there many better offensive options? Jamison plays a role a little bit like a spot up shooter, but his scoring is more varied than strictly set and shoot jumpers.

[Zonkerbl]

I think AJ ruined EJ. AJ is why EJ designed the defense to collapse in the point at all times.

[willbcocks]

Yeah, it was too bad AJ had to follow him to Philly too...

[Dat2U]

He had about the lowest turnover rate in the game. Maybe you think it's cool to talk smack about Jamison because the Wiz are playing the Cavs, but it's not. It's lame; it's stupid; it's moronic.

Your right, because I never ever talked smack about Antawn while he was in DC. I've been calling him a 'Great Leader of Men' for years. A title that he no doubt deserves. I'm sure Cleveland will find his "efficient" scoring and great leadership invaluable.

[WizStorm]

Some Highlights:

http://www.nba.com/games/20101007/WASCL ... 0011000018

Damn is this going to fun team to watch all year.

[fishercob]

He had about the lowest turnover rate in the game. Maybe you think it's cool to talk smack about Jamison because the Wiz are playing the Cavs, but it's not. It's lame; it's stupid; it's moronic.

Your right, because I never ever talked smack about Antawn while he was in DC. I've been calling him a 'Great Leader of Men' for years. A title that he no doubt deserves. I'm sure Cleveland will find his "efficient" scoring and great leadership invaluable.

I understand where you're coming from, Dat. I think your biggest gripe with Jamison was his "us/them" with the young players, where he positioned himself like he was doing his job and the kids weren't pulling their weight. I feel you there.

Outside of that, I don't have any real gripes with Jamison. I don't see why it's a bad thing that he's clean cut, professional and mostly (see above) says the right things. His defensive limitations are physical -- not for lack of effort. It's not his fault that two owners have signed him to big money deals.

It's also not a coincidence that his best season was as a 6th man. He's been miscast most of his career -- he's not a starter on an elite team, but could absolutely be a 25-30 mpg supersub for a contender. He was reportedly unhappy with his role in Dallas, but pride is a pretty universal human failing, no?

I wish Antawn the best, and hope he lands in Charlotte, where Larry Brown could hide him and they could really use his O.

[Nivek]

He had about the lowest turnover rate in the game. Maybe you think it's cool to talk smack about Jamison because the Wiz are playing the Cavs, but it's not. It's lame; it's stupid; it's moronic.

Like I said, check the numbers.

Jamison finished 299th in the NBA in assist/turnover ratio and took 7.7 shots for every 1 assist last year. I guess he was selfish and didn't play defense but didn't turn the ball over too much. Whoop-de-do.

Sorry if the facts are lame, stupid and moronic. At the end of the day, Blatche was an upgrade over Jamison.

Jamison's job was to score, not get assists. Among players with at least 500 minutes last season, Jamison had the 7th lowest turnover rate. What relevance does assist to turnover ratio have for a scorer? Knocking Jamison for low assist numbers would be like ripping Clinton Portis for not kicking field goals. It wasn't his job.

[Nivek]

Good points, fishercob. In my Grand Theory of Team Construction, I think the ideal is to have defined positions for starters, but versatile hybrid players coming off the bench. In other words, a pure PG, a pure SG, a pure SF, a pure PF, a pure C as starters, then off the bench a combo guard, a SF/PF type, maybe a G/F type, and a PF/C type. Jamison is that SF/PF type. He creates matchup problems on the offensive end because of his combination of size and skill, but he also creates problems because he's not strong enough to do a good job defending PFs and he's not quick enough to defend SFs.

[pancakes3]

mcgee 4 fouls in 13 mins. awesome.

Wizards win 97-83 in Cleveland. Awesome.

pancakes, don't bother to mention the 6 points and 6 boards because that would take away your from your negativity. Better to nurse a grudge than enjoy a win.

my point in pointing out the fouls wasn't intended to blindly bash mcgee. it was merely a comment that he really hasn't shown any maturity, or strides in self-discipline - the only thing really holding him back from being an effective C in this league. another year, and zero development. awesome per-36 numbers but unable to stay on the court long enough to produce.

ultimately, it's a preseason game during a "rebuilding year". i'd much rather mcgee show improvement and we lose (unlikely) than mcgee foul out in less than a quarter of play and we win.

if we win a game in June and mcgee has 6/6/4 in 13 mins you won't hear a peep out of me.