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Post#141 » by DaRealHibachi » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:51 pm

McGully Culkin wrote:Just reading some of the post-game comments from Flip. Sure McGee did some head-scratching thigns, but he had a good game overall. I'm not really a fan of how he's become Flip's whipping-boy at times, but Blatche's shoddy play is tolerated and devoid of criticism to the media like he's done w. Javale.


My major point of disgust with Flip... At least treat everyone equally...

If there's anything he needs to be fired for, it's the quick-hook of McGee in contrast of letting Dray do whatever he pleases out there indeed...
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Re: Game Thread? 

Post#142 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:09 pm

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McGully Culkin wrote:Just reading some of the post-game comments from Flip. Sure McGee did some head-scratching thigns, but he had a good game overall. I'm not really a fan of how he's become Flip's whipping-boy at times, but Blatche's shoddy play is tolerated and devoid of criticism to the media like he's done w. Javale.


My major point of disgust with Flip... At least treat everyone equally...

If there's anything he needs to be fired for, it's the quick-hook of McGee in contrast of letting Dray do whatever he pleases out there indeed...

Um. McGee played 37 minutes.
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Post#143 » by fishercob » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:14 pm

And perhaps he was able to earn those minutes by doing what the coaches expected of him, staying out of foul trouble, dominating the boards, etc.
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Post#144 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:14 pm

WWsum wrote:How about get Flip to fine him whenever he goaltends? :-?

Is there a stat for who has committed the most goaltending in this season?

There are some goaltends that I don't mind. Sometimes, he blocks a shot that's coming off somebody's jump-hook or something, and it's a line drive that's practically on the way down from the moment it leaves the shooter's hand. I can't complain about those.

But the ones when the shot is so clearly past it's apex and on the way down have got to stop. The one he did tonight on Bogut after Bogut got fouled was pathetic. He is just giving points away. And it's not like there is an intimidation factor. I'm sure the other team just laughs at him for making such an incredibly stupid play. (I highly question whether there's an intimidation factor in any goaltend, but that's another debate.)
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Post#145 » by TGW » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:26 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:No real vets around to snatch him up, either.

3 years as a pro, CCJ. He's got to stop giving away points to the other team. It's pure ego and it's not acceptable from a professional athlete. He is hurting his team in order to get validation from the crowd. It must stop. He deserves to be called every name in the book for this and I won't apologize for it.


This is not a big issue in my view. I remember Ewing doing this all the time when he was playing. He would get 2 or 3 of them a game sometimes.


When Ewing was scoring 20+ with 10+ rebounds and around 3 blocks, it was really hard to criticize him for much of anything.

I don't think that's the case for Javale. He isn't good enough to make up for his stupid mistakes like Ewing. He should focus on doing the little things that affect the outcome of games. The stupid goaltending calls are one of those things.
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Post#146 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:31 pm

Those goal tends and Dray's lagging intensity go back to discipline. If your starters don't have it, your team isn't going to have it, and you're going to flounder. There needs to be self-policing on the team. Eventually, that's going to fall on Wall's shoulders, and he's eventually going to be the one to get in Javale's grill about these things, but as a 19 year old rookie who's still figuring out the NBA game, he's not yet in a position to do that.
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Post#147 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:52 pm

Ruzious wrote:Those goal tends and Dray's lagging intensity go back to discipline. If your starters don't have it, your team isn't going to have it, and you're going to flounder. There needs to be self-policing on the team. Eventually, that's going to fall on Wall's shoulders, and he's eventually going to be the one to get in Javale's grill about these things, but as a 19 year old rookie who's still figuring out the NBA game, he's not yet in a position to do that.

Excellent point Ruzious. This team definitely needs more self policing. It would be nice for Lewis to fill the void for now, but he seems more like the quiet type. Same thing with Hinrich. For now, Josh Howard appears to be the only vocal leader on the team. But it's hard to lead in street clothes.
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Post#148 » by DaRealHibachi » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:56 pm

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McGully Culkin wrote:Just reading some of the post-game comments from Flip. Sure McGee did some head-scratching thigns, but he had a good game overall. I'm not really a fan of how he's become Flip's whipping-boy at times, but Blatche's shoddy play is tolerated and devoid of criticism to the media like he's done w. Javale.


My major point of disgust with Flip... At least treat everyone equally...

If there's anything he needs to be fired for, it's the quick-hook of McGee in contrast of letting Dray do whatever he pleases out there indeed...

Um. McGee played 37 minutes.


I wasn't talking about this game, or McGee's minutes this season Nate... :wink:

I actually agree with Flip on the minutes he plays McGee, what I hate about Flip is that he lets Dray play through all his knuckleheadedness (new word???) and benches McGee for the exact same thing (most of the time for even less)...
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Post#149 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:08 pm

Flip rags on McGee because McGee can take it. If Flip were to do the same thing to Blatche he'd burst into tears and quit.
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Post#150 » by fishercob » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:18 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Flip rags on McGee because McGee can take it. If Flip were to do the same thing to Blatche he'd burst into tears and quit.


I'd pay to see that.
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Post#151 » by cwb3 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:23 pm

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hands11 wrote:Dray looks like an old man out there with no leaping ability. And its not the injury. He never could jump. Dray looks like he already peaked.

Problem now is what to do with him. His value is no great right now.


At this point it doesn't really matter what we get, as long as the guy is a competent professional. People said the same thing before the Gil trade and were pleasantly surprised with Rashard. The same thing will happen when we trade Blatche - the people still hanging onto false hope will complain at first but after a few games everyone will see how much better off we are with whoever we get.


There is an order of magnitude difference between trading Blatche and Gil. Gil won games for us, Gil won a playoff series for us, Gil gave us reason to come to each and every game regardless of opponent. Gil gave the Wizards a national profile for at least a couple of seasons. Blatche attended a day-long seminar for men who solicit prostitutes.
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Post#152 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:16 pm

Dudes, Blatche NEVER could jump, as you point out. But he does have extremely long arms which actually helps -- you can reach the same elevation without having to jump as high, so it takes less time.

Geeze, we went over and over this three years ago. Read the archives!
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Post#153 » by AceDegenerate » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:36 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Dudes, Blatche NEVER could jump, as you point out. But he does have extremely long arms which actually helps -- you can reach the same elevation without having to jump as high, so it takes less time.

Geeze, we went over and over this three years ago. Read the archives!


You have to admit though it's pretty damn sad watching guys like Nick Young and Thornton fly to the hoop for a dunk.. then here comes Blatche chugging along to the basket and gets blocked 3 or 4 times before finally finding the right angle to throw in an awkward Jamison'esque layup.

I'd have to say 38 year old Shaq probably has at least double the vertical Blatche does at this point, and that is just sad to watch.
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Post#154 » by Wizards2Lottery » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:47 pm

Blatche was never a super athlete but he wasn't this pathetic either.

He took that foot injury excuse over the offseason and ran with it. He didn't work out and reverted back to being the lazy ass he always was, except this time he had his long term financial security.
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Post#155 » by DCZards » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:05 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:
My major point of disgust with Flip... At least treat everyone equally...

If there's anything he needs to be fired for, it's the quick-hook of McGee in contrast of letting Dray do whatever he pleases out there indeed...



You treat (coach/manage) people as individuals...and sometimes that comes across as unequal treatment when it's really just taking into account a person's ego, personality, maturity level, and what it takes to motivate that individual.
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Post#156 » by dlts20 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:22 pm

Anyone have ESPN's the insider? Its probably nothing but something little but I wanted to see what they said about NY as being one of the leagues overachievers this year
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Post#157 » by DMVleGeND » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:29 pm

Yeah Blatche was never a freak athlete, but he was no Shaq either. He was average athletically, but due to his length, he used to be a good shot-blocker and got a few putback jams here & there.

Now, he looks like an old man and can barely get off the ground, getting his shot-blocked constantly.

I've been trying my hardest to defend him this season, but he's been coasting. It really seems like 4-on-5 out there on the court sometimes. If he played harder and actually tried to make an impact on the game, we would win more.
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