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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#41 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:44 pm

I don't know, a lot of highly skilled players come into this league thinking they can do everything (McGee, Shawn Kemp) and they only became successful when they focused on the two or three things they do exceptionally well and stop trying to be what they're not. McGee needs to be discouraged from dribbling -- he used to be able to do it when he was 6'0", he can't do it anymore. One power dribble is all big men need to know how to do.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#42 » by 7-Day Dray » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:46 am

Zonkerbl wrote:I don't know, a lot of highly skilled players come into this league thinking they can do everything (McGee, Shawn Kemp) and they only became successful when they focused on the two or three things they do exceptionally well and stop trying to be what they're not. McGee needs to be discouraged from dribbling -- he used to be able to do it when he was 6'0", he can't do it anymore. One power dribble is all big men need to know how to do.


But big men now are starting to develop faceup games. I actually think McGee should start working more on his jumper and faceup game. It's already decent for a big man, but needs polishing.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#43 » by Nivek » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:01 pm

I'm not clear on what's "already decent" for a big man. His faceup game? Not really. When he faces up and puts the ball on the floor, it's an adventure every time. His jumper? No. His jumper is awful. His form is awful. His shot selection on jumpers is awful. His results are awful.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#44 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:48 pm

McGee has the makings of a decent sweeping hook shot, and he can finger roll, and this year looks like he's starting to master a decent drop step.

That's PLENTY. Stop there and focus on doing those things better.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#45 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:41 pm

the biggest thing you see with mcgee is that he is very fluid dribbling with both his hands while his back is the basket. He was very poor at this in recent years and something happened that helped him dramatically improve. that improvement in his handle has made him much more efficient in the post with much more confidence.
those same training aids need to be used with both seraphin, booker, singleton, and vesely with their back to the basket.
Vesely, Singleton, and Booker would very much see an increase in efficiency because none of them size advantages in the post while mcgee does.
VEsely, singleton, and booker all would be better off using their quick step from face up game but in order to do that, you have to have elite off hand dribbling because an opponent is always going to force you to go to your weak hand based on his defensive stance. This is why Vesely, singleton,booker, and seraphin are struggling.
They aren't fluid going to their off hand and the defenders are positioning their feet to allow for easy dribble penetration on their off hand and taking away their strong hand. Because these four players don't have confidence in their off hand, they pass the ball quickly even though they would have an easy scoring opportunity if they could dribble fluently with their off hand.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#46 » by WizarDynasty » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:46 am

i saw some improvement in terms of ball handling today. I still think someone in the organization needs to make singleton and booker heavily commit daily to improving. 4 to for wall is still pretty high. I would like to see a 4 to one assist to turnover ratio.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#47 » by pancakes3 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:19 pm

you might want to set your sights a little lower. 4:1 is peak magic/stockton/cp3 territory. not even 2x MVP steve nash can boast a 4:1 season.
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Post#48 » by WizarDynasty » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:35 pm

5 turnovers to 7 assist really bad today against boston especially since wall was going against a 3rd string back up bradley the whole game and not even rondo.
Really need a dribbling coach.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#49 » by doclinkin » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:58 am

WizarDynasty wrote:5 turnovers to 7 assist really bad today against boston especially since wall was going against a 3rd string back up bradley the whole game and not even rondo.
Really need a dribbling coach.



Help us out Wiz'nasty, which of these star guards has the good 'Low dribble 2 ground while sprint' skill that John Wall should study to improve his skill to dribble ball and pass skill:

Chauncey Billups
Dwyane Wade
Russel Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Tyreke Evans

Beacause comparing thing here says all these dribble ball runner points guard scorers have a less good enough run dribble pass assist turnover ratio skill than the so bad John Wall does.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#50 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:06 am

WizarDynasty wrote:5 turnovers to 7 assist really bad today against boston especially since wall was going against a 3rd string back up bradley the whole game and not even rondo.
Really need a dribbling coach.



A couple of those turnovers weren't his fault. He passed once right between Blatche and Mcgee and either of them could have gotten it if they just reached out.

Wall's critics are really reaching now.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#51 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:12 am

WizarDynasty wrote:so that he is always a mismatch offensively. Seraphin is special because he is very nimble on his feet. He can't utilize his athleticism offensively because he has undeveloped dribble skills.
If seraphin weren't exceptionally nimble and quickfooted for his size, it would be a waste of time developing his dribbling skills.
dribbling skills unlock a defensive players offensive potential and reduce turnovers.


KS would be nasty with an ankle breaking cross over from the top of the key. So would McGee.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#52 » by DaRealHibachi » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:55 am

hands11 wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:so that he is always a mismatch offensively. Seraphin is special because he is very nimble on his feet. He can't utilize his athleticism offensively because he has undeveloped dribble skills.
If seraphin weren't exceptionally nimble and quickfooted for his size, it would be a waste of time developing his dribbling skills.
dribbling skills unlock a defensive players offensive potential and reduce turnovers.


KS would be nasty with an ankle breaking cross over from the top of the key. So would McGee.


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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#53 » by sfam » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:31 pm

Aside from perhaps Rose, Wall seems faster than anyone in the NBA while dribbling. His game against Westbrook really highlighted this.

On this list of things Wall needs improvement on, dribbling is right around improving his outfit choices when he goes out on the town. The choose a mid range jumper, tear drop, 3 pt shot, FT, and improved decision making before dribbling for instance.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#54 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:48 pm

KS heads to the hoop after the ankle breaking low dribble crossover.

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McGee warming up for his.

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and he's off.

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He gets around one defender, but there is another there. But he gets distracted because he struck out at the club last night.

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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#55 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:18 am

the person who i expected to have developed a crossover, a hesitation moves, and a tear drop is ....

Booker. I thought he the hardest working player on the team but apparently not. the guy is only 6'6 and you would have thought that he would have worked hard to mold his game after a none effective power player in paul pierce.
I think Seraphin should be molded into an elton brand type.
Blatche---should be molded into a randolph
McGee--a faster but weaker Abdul Jabar if he ever learned to do olympic power cleans to build his lower body strength. He should be shooting at least 5 catch and shoot medium jumpers per game.
Young and Crawford are both Poor man Jason Terry types, they both need to hit the track and get much much faster as far as sprinting.
I could see young as a Ray Allen if he ever got a heart--like the lion on wizard of oz.
Wall---handles first, then floaters---isiah thomas slash john stockton
Vesely---robert horry type.
Singleton---Bruce Bowen---maybe pippen if he can dramatically improve his off hand dribbling ability and develop a back down turn around shot.
Booker should have been developing his game to be that of paul pierce a long long time ago. I guess he was football player first, basketball second.
This team definitely needs a power post player and our only thing close to it right now is seraphin---yet we aren't even giving seraphin game film so that he can learn which parts of his game work and what he can do to correct his post moves against another teams best post defenders.
Blatche is not athletic enough or strong enough to consistently play in the post and he doesn't rebound in traffic.
the only player that rebounds in traffic is mcgee and maybe seraphin. I would have liked to see us get Kaman, made a max offer to marc gasol but Blatche is just a few notches above jamison which isn't much.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#56 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:24 am

hands11 wrote:KS heads to the hoop after the ankle breaking low dribble crossover.

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McGee warming up for his.

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and he's off.

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He gets around one defender, but there is another there. But he gets distracted because he struck out at the club last night.

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I would like to see KS maintain a low dribble with his back to basket and switch hands with his back to basket...that would be the equivalent of a crossover. You see Javale do it all time. javale just doesn't have the power or body to consistently dislodge opponents off their defensive spots...where as Seraphin does. Seraphin just doesn't have the length or shooting touch and game film to figure out which of his moves work against other teams big men because the organization is dis-functional.
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Re: NEEDED! EliteDribbleCoach"Low dribble 2 ground while spr 

Post#57 » by WizarDynasty » Fri Feb 3, 2012 11:17 am

Wall's assist to turnover ratio is absolutely horrible. Our commentators need to be fired they have a very low bbiq and contribute to losing culture.
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