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Re: Wizards - next years Warriors East? 

Post#21 » by Higga » Thu May 16, 2013 4:41 pm

Deeptu McPullup wrote:
Higga wrote:But Wall has to become a superstar like Curry has developed into in order for us to win 45+ games and make the playoffs.


That's really pushing it.

Boston and Milwaukee are not particularly likely to return the the playoffs next year, so we probably just need to be better than two from amongst Toronto, Detroit and Cleveland. We'll see who Cleveland and Detroit sign with their cap space, but the 7th or 8th seed will probably only require things going moderately well for us.


Well just barely making the playoffs and being a non factor once you get there wouldn't really be equal to the Warriors.
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Re: Wizards - next years Warriors East? 

Post#22 » by Deeptu McPullup » Thu May 16, 2013 4:47 pm

Higga wrote:
Deeptu McPullup wrote:
Higga wrote:But Wall has to become a superstar like Curry has developed into in order for us to win 45+ games and make the playoffs.


That's really pushing it.

Boston and Milwaukee are not particularly likely to return the the playoffs next year, so we probably just need to be better than two from amongst Toronto, Detroit and Cleveland. We'll see who Cleveland and Detroit sign with their cap space, but the 7th or 8th seed will probably only require things going moderately well for us.


Well just barely making the playoffs and being a non factor once you get there wouldn't really be equal to the Warriors.


OK, if you put it that way I see what you mean.
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Re: Wizards - next years Warriors East? 

Post#23 » by sfam » Thu May 16, 2013 6:58 pm

Sakuragi_ wrote:Curry is alot better than john wall.


And you guys dont have a good coach. Mark Jackson has done really well.

This is a real concern. I fear Wittman would get a seal beating in terms of changing strategies each game from someone of Mark Jackson's calibur. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the Wizards' third quarter play, where conceivably both sides make halftime adjustments gives me real pause.
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Post#24 » by GhostsOfGil » Thu May 16, 2013 8:29 pm

sfam wrote:
Sakuragi_ wrote:Curry is alot better than john wall.


And you guys dont have a good coach. Mark Jackson has done really well.

This is a real concern. I fear Wittman would get a seal beating in terms of changing strategies each game from someone of Mark Jackson's calibur. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the Wizards' third quarter play, where conceivably both sides make halftime adjustments gives me real pause.


I remember reading somewhere that the Wizards were a very strong 3rd quarter team when trailing at halftime. I always felt that Wittman was good at making adjustments when needed. He can be hard headed about his rotations but I think generally, his halftime adjustments were good.
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Re: Wizards - next years Warriors East? 

Post#25 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Thu May 16, 2013 11:11 pm

dangermouse wrote:Young PG phenom - check

Upper tier young 3pt shooting 2 guard - check

Young do-it-all wing - TBD but Webster fits the bill if he can stay healthy. Ariza still here is good too.

Healthy Nene >>>>>> Healthy Lee

Bogut >>> Okafor but both are great/good defensive C's

We a few band-aids and a Jarret Jack away from making the playoffs and making some noise next year?


Next year's Grizzlies East.
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Re: Wizards - next years Warriors East? 

Post#26 » by nate33 » Fri May 17, 2013 2:17 am

GhostsOfGil wrote:
sfam wrote:
Sakuragi_ wrote:Curry is alot better than john wall.


And you guys dont have a good coach. Mark Jackson has done really well.

This is a real concern. I fear Wittman would get a seal beating in terms of changing strategies each game from someone of Mark Jackson's calibur. Perhaps I'm wrong, but the Wizards' third quarter play, where conceivably both sides make halftime adjustments gives me real pause.


I remember reading somewhere that the Wizards were a very strong 3rd quarter team when trailing at halftime. I always felt that Wittman was good at making adjustments when needed. He can be hard headed about his rotations but I think generally, his halftime adjustments were good.

I remember hearing the same thing too, GhostsOfGil
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Post#27 » by Nivek » Fri May 17, 2013 1:40 pm

GoG -- You're assuming a cause for that "strong 3rd quarter team when trailing at halftime" -- which is pretty dubious achievement in the first place. It could be that halftime adjustments are making a difference. It could also be that the opponents slack off. Or that the Wizards do a better job of executing the game plan they started with.

In reality, few fans (or reporters or broadcasters) would even recognize when an adjustment is made, unless it was something significant like a lineup change.

We saw this with Joe Gibbs and the football team. I read countless stories and heard loads of analysis about Gibbs' amazing ability to make halftime adjustments. Then later, the players started getting asked about it when their careers were over, and all of 'em said those stories were way overblown. That Gibbs (and even Pettibone) weren't making "adjustments," but were really just reinforcing the game plans they already had in place.

I'm not saying Wittman and the coaching staff doesn't do a good job at halftime. Maybe they do. But, being better in the 3rd quarter after sucking in the first two doesn't mean that they've done a good job -- at halftime, or the rest of the time.
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Post#28 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri May 17, 2013 2:02 pm

Nivek wrote:GoG -- You're assuming a cause for that "strong 3rd quarter team when trailing at halftime" -- which is pretty dubious achievement in the first place. It could be that halftime adjustments are making a difference. It could also be that the opponents slack off. Or that the Wizards do a better job of executing the game plan they started with.


It could be, but making these claims is just as dubious of an achievement as the original statement. There are plenty of variables that could have been the cause for the Wizards strong 3rd quarter play, but my point was in response to sfam's post: There's no reason to believe that Wittman is bad at making half time adjustments.
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Post#29 » by Nivek » Fri May 17, 2013 2:34 pm

Yeah, I agree with that -- not much reason to think Wittman is bad at halftime adjustments.
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Re: Wizards - next years Warriors East? 

Post#30 » by FAH1223 » Fri May 17, 2013 3:53 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Next year's Grizzlies East.


While defensively and rebounding wise we can be similar... offensively, its not like Nene or Okafor are really as good as Zbo/Gasol. Unless of course, Nene returns to his efficient self on a higher usage... but I don't see it happening.

I hate Kevin Seraphin man... he has all the tools and can't even get boards. Zbo doesn't even jump and averages 11 rebounds a game all due to his positioning and angles every time down the floor. Kevin is just as big, probably stronger, and can't muscle his way to get positioning. It is mind boggling.
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Re: Wizards - next years Warriors East? 

Post#31 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat May 18, 2013 12:59 am

FAH1223 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Next year's Grizzlies East.


While defensively and rebounding wise we can be similar... offensively, its not like Nene or Okafor are really as good as Zbo/Gasol. Unless of course, Nene returns to his efficient self on a higher usage... but I don't see it happening.

I hate Kevin Seraphin man... he has all the tools and can't even get boards. Zbo doesn't even jump and averages 11 rebounds a game all due to his positioning and angles every time down the floor. Kevin is just as big, probably stronger, and can't muscle his way to get positioning. It is mind boggling.


I think overall the team will have that Grizzlies feel because of how defensive minded Wittman has the team playing. I think they'll continue to rely heavily on defense with the bulk of scoring coming from turnovers and the perimeter vs. the paint like Memphis, but overall I think the team's identity will come very close to resembling the Grizzlies.

I really believe Seraphin's lack of rebounding at his size and his tendency to go away from the basket on offense go hand in hand. This dude needs to play blacktop 33 with guys who are 6-10 260 lbs+ all summer long. No rebound, no scoring opportunity. His problem is more his mentality I believe.

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