Official Thread - Wizards at Magic (12/10/14)

[Kanyewest]

Randy should play Blair in the 2nd half. Kevin is awful tonite.

Seraphin was alright offensively 8 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 turnovers in 12 minutes. Gortat by comparison only had 10 points, 5 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 turnovers in 28 minutes.

[Jimmy Recard]

Beal is a bit miscast by Randy and overrated by others. He is not a player that can get his own shot. He's a catch a shoot or one dribble drive to the basket wing, and that's it. Every game Randy puts him in ISO situations at the top of the key and he burns 5 or 6 seconds, can't penetrate, and then returns the ball to Wall with little time left on the clock. I love Beal as a high-character role player, but Butler is flat out a better SG as are 15 or 20 other 6'5" wings in the league. Unfortunately Beal and his agent will go for max money and we would be fools to pay it. I'd trade him for Smart or Wright tomorrow.

Beal torched Butler in the playoffs last year despite being 4 years younger and in his first post-season. I'm not to concerned about him, although the long two's annoy me. No excuse for the guy not attacking the backet more. He's good a big frame and deceptive athleticism. 1 trip to the FT line per game isn't acceptable for a guy with his talent.

[Mickstix]

No worries, no worries.. On the way home I drove by the station and got em' out.. Miller and Beal were in for grand larceny, but I posted their bail!! Have em' home in plenty of time for the Clippers..

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Thing I liked most about the game was how calm the team was down the stretch. No panic, no heads down, no distracted b*tching at the refs .

[flash22]

Beal is a bit miscast by Randy and overrated by others. He is not a player that can get his own shot. He's a catch a shoot or one dribble drive to the basket wing, and that's it. Every game Randy puts him in ISO situations at the top of the key and he burns 5 or 6 seconds, can't penetrate, and then returns the ball to Wall with little time left on the clock. I love Beal as a high-character role player, but Butler is flat out a better SG as are 15 or 20 other 6'5" wings in the league. Unfortunately Beal and his agent will go for max money and we would be fools to pay it. I'd trade him for Smart or Wright tomorrow.

Isn't that the whole point of running those ISO plays? To develop and expand on Beals current limitations. Beal is what 21 years old? To look at the player he is now and think he's reached his cap is a mistake. There will be bumps and bruises but whitman is forcing beal to develop the areas of his game that he is weak at, and agree with that.

[WizWillWin]

Beal is a bit miscast by Randy and overrated by others. He is not a player that can get his own shot. He's a catch a shoot or one dribble drive to the basket wing, and that's it. Every game Randy puts him in ISO situations at the top of the key and he burns 5 or 6 seconds, can't penetrate, and then returns the ball to Wall with little time left on the clock. I love Beal as a high-character role player, but Butler is flat out a better SG as are 15 or 20 other 6'5" wings in the league. Unfortunately Beal and his agent will go for max money and we would be fools to pay it. I'd trade him for Smart or Wright tomorrow.

you're crazy. what you're basically saying is you want to trade away a huge part of our future. wall and beal will be tearing this league up together for years

he's only 21 - not even close to his prime. still learning and developing as a player each year

[dlts20]

can someone tell me why the score of the game was so low when both teams seemed efficient? Was it just a slower paced game? I missed most of it

[marcush]

That was a very cool finish, fantastic pass by Dre.

[tontoz]

If they are going to run isos for Beal i would rather they just let him go at his man 1 on 1 as opposed to bringing a big man out for a screen. The pick and roll isn't his game.

[hands11]

If they are going to run isos for Beal i would rather they just let him go at his man 1 on 1 as opposed to bringing a big man out for a screen. The pick and roll isn't his game.

Actually, he is pretty good at PnR. But we didn't see them running that with him. He was just running back and forth off the screen trying to get open. There was no roll last night.

[Higga]

What a finish. Wall just dominated late and then of course Dre with that incredible perfect pass to Beal to win it.

D really stepped up in the 4th quarter. 2nd-3rd quarter D was god awful. We gotta play with that kind of focus for 48 minutes if we want to beat the elite teams.

We aren't playing our best ball but we're stealing wins. That's how the good teams do it.

[LyricalRico]

Was thinking this all game and just getting around to asking: Why are the Magic apparently sticking with the "Oladipo at PG" experiment now that they have Payton, who clearly has potential? Or was this just a one-time thing based on the DC matchups?

[I Rasharted]

Was thinking this all game and just getting around to asking: Why are the Magic apparently sticking with the "Oladipo at PG" experiment now that they have Payton, who clearly has potential? Or was this just a one-time thing based on the DC matchups?

You'll have to ask Jacques Vaughn. It's not a one-time thing: Oladipo usually runs the point, even when he and Payton are playing together.

[LyricalRico]

Was thinking this all game and just getting around to asking: Why are the Magic apparently sticking with the "Oladipo at PG" experiment now that they have Payton, who clearly has potential? Or was this just a one-time thing based on the DC matchups?

You'll have to ask Jacques Vaughn. It's not a one-time thing: Oladipo usually runs the point, even when he and Payton are playing together.

IIRC, Oladipo was primarily a scorer in college but they needed him to play point because of the circumstances last year. And then they go and spend a pick on a point guard presumably to fill that spot and have Oladipo move to his natural wing position. Does Vaughn have a thing about putting rookies in their place or something?

Is it possibly about minutes for Fournier? He's good, but I don't think he has the upside of Oladipo. And not having a true PG on the floor could potentially hold an entire offense back. Either way, it seems odd to me.

[Kanyewest]

Was thinking this all game and just getting around to asking: Why are the Magic apparently sticking with the "Oladipo at PG" experiment now that they have Payton, who clearly has potential? Or was this just a one-time thing based on the DC matchups?

Orlando liked what it was getting out of Evan Fournier to start the season but now he's struggling. Fournier does provide 3 point shooting (he's shooting above 40%) and solid defense but he doesn't do other things as well like rebounding the ball.

[Kanyewest]

can someone tell me why the score of the game was so low when both teams seemed efficient? Was it just a slower paced game? I missed most of it

There weren't as many fouls and therefore there weren't that many free throw attempts in this game. Plus Washington never really got it going from the 3 point line- especially Beal and Butler.

[I Rasharted]

Was thinking this all game and just getting around to asking: Why are the Magic apparently sticking with the "Oladipo at PG" experiment now that they have Payton, who clearly has potential? Or was this just a one-time thing based on the DC matchups?

You'll have to ask Jacques Vaughn. It's not a one-time thing: Oladipo usually runs the point, even when he and Payton are playing together.

IIRC, Oladipo was primarily a scorer in college but they needed him to play point because of the circumstances last year. And then they go and spend a pick on a point guard presumably to fill that spot and have Oladipo move to his natural wing position. Does Vaughn have a thing about putting rookies in their place or something?

Is it possibly about minutes for Fournier? He's good, but I don't think he has the upside of Oladipo. And not having a true PG on the floor could potentially hold an entire offense back. Either way, it seems odd to me.

I assumed playing Oladipo at PG last year was about tanking (mostly) and developing his playmaking skills. If I had to guess, this year I'd say they're a) bringing Payton along slowly and b) trying to move toward a less rigid, "positionless," forward-thinking game. I think eventually (next year) they'll settle into Payton at PG and Oladipo at SG. I don't think it's about Fournier at all.