Player of the Game -- Wizards at Heat (12/19/14)

[pineappleheadindc]

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Not an aesthetically pleasing win. But a victory nonetheless. Let's go to the nominees for Wizards Player of the Game.



PG John Wall
20 points (6-10 fg, 0-2 3pts, 8-10 ft), 10 dimes, 1 board, 2 turns in 38 minutes.




PF/C Nene Hilario
20 points (8-10 fg, 4-7 ft), 6 boards, 2 dimes, 1 steal in 26 minutes




SG Bradley Beal
16 points (4-15 fg, 1-5 3 pts, 7-8 ft), 7 boards, 2 dimes, 2 steals, 2 turns in 35 minutes of play.

OR name your own Wizards Player of the Game in comments, below.

Go Wizards!

[pineappleheadindc]

I voted for Wall, but he honestly did not have a Wall-like game. Telling is zero steals and zero blocks for him.

It's just a testament to John's greatness that he can have a "meh" game and still be the dominant player on the court.

[Hypnotizer]

Big Brazilian is my POTG today. Great game!

[nate33]

I voted for Wall, but he honestly did not have a Wall-like game. Telling is zero steals and zero blocks for him.

It's just a testament to John's greatness that he can have a "meh" game and still be the dominant player on the court.

Yeah, now a "meh" game for Wall is 20 points, 10 boards shooting 60% with just 2 turnovers. The man is incredible.

I'd give POTG to Nene today. Wall pretty much deserves it every game, but at least today there was someone else who was in the conversation.

[JWizmentality]

Wall then Nene. Everybody else spent too much time with the Heat Dancers last nite...then again...for $6.

[hands11]

WALL STAR MVP

Runner up and best big off the bench in the league..

[tontoz]

Nene had a strong game against their weak front line but i still went with Wall. He played in control all game and missed out on several assists due to the other players bricks.

Tonight Wall took only 4 long 2s and had only 2 turnovers. The result was a high efficiency game. And he came up big in the 4th.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Wall? Nene? Wall? Nene?

Wiz don't win without both of them. Flip a coin.... Nene

[TGW]

I'll go with Nene because we probably won't see a game like this from him for awhile, whereas Wall does it pretty much every other game.

[bealwithit]

I voted Ernie, wanna fight about it?

[Tricky_Kid]

Easilly Nene

[nuposse04]

I voted Nene because he really seemed to settle us down in the 3rd and sans the FT shooting was just great throughout. Shame non of our other bigs decided to show up. Liked that Beal found ways to contribute even though the shot didn't fall. Keep taking 3s Beal, they'll fall.

Wall was the best player today. Honestly it seemed like a quiet 20-10 game. That is when you know he is good.

[fishercob]

I voted Nene because he really seemed to settle us down in the 3rd and sans the FT shooting was just great throughout. Shame non of our other bigs decided to show up. Liked that Beal found ways to contribute even though the shot didn't fall. Keep taking 3s Beal, they'll fall.

Wall was the best player today. Honestly it seemed like a quiet 20-10 game. That is when you know he is good.

Not just 20 and 10. 20 points on 10 shots and 10 assists against 2 TO's. Ho effing hum. People would be pooping all over themselves if Wall had done this two years ago. Now it's like "yeah, nice game bud."

POOPING.

[hands11]

I voted Nene because he really seemed to settle us down in the 3rd and sans the FT shooting was just great throughout. Shame non of our other bigs decided to show up. Liked that Beal found ways to contribute even though the shot didn't fall. Keep taking 3s Beal, they'll fall.

Wall was the best player today. Honestly it seemed like a quiet 20-10 game. That is when you know he is good.

Back to back 20 and 10s at that.

Oh and the 2nd time he did that in the last 6 games.

He was 1 assist short of doing it a another time back in Sat 11/22 and Tue 11/25

AD is the only one I am aware of that is averaging a 20 and 10 this year. BG did it his first two years.

Wall is averaging 17.9 pts. He would have to take it up another level to average 20 and 10 and I don't think that is even a goal of his. If others scored more, he would gladly score less and disk out 18 assists.

I can't say how pleased I am he turned out this way. His is exactly the outline of how I want a PG to approach the game and the balanced ego I want them to have. It could have gone differently under different mentoring. This is why its so important how a team is constructed. Wall has a great support system and character players around him.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I voted Nene because he really seemed to settle us down in the 3rd and sans the FT shooting was just great throughout. Shame non of our other bigs decided to show up. Liked that Beal found ways to contribute even though the shot didn't fall. Keep taking 3s Beal, they'll fall.

Wall was the best player today. Honestly it seemed like a quiet 20-10 game. That is when you know he is good.

Back to back 20 and 10s at that.

Oh and the 2nd time he did that in the last 6 games.

He was 1 assist short of doing it a another time back in Sat 11/22 and Tue 11/25

AD is the only one I am aware of that is averaging a 20 and 10 this year. BG did it his first two years.

Wall is averaging 17.9 pts. He would have to take it up another level to average 20 and 10 and I don't think that is even a goal of his. If others scored more, he would gladly score less and disk out 18 assists.

I can't say how pleased I am he turned out this way. His is exactly the outline of how I want a PG to approach the game and the balanced ego I want them to have. It could have gone differently under different mentoring. This is why its so important how a team is constructed. Wall has a great support system and character players around him.

Yeah he's had a phenomenal December (after a very solid November), he's putting up 17.5 ppg 12.9 apg 5.0 rpg 1.7 spg 1.2 bpg and 4.0 topg on .500/.357/.721 shooting splits. Only real complaints are TO's and his free throw shooting. His TO's are not all that bad considering how many apg he's getting; he's actually slowly moving up in that respect to 19th in ast/to ratio. As for his free throw shooting, he needs to be around the 80% for me to be okay…more focus from him needed there. These stats don't even account for his stellar defense and our 9-1 record for the month (@Boston being the only blemish). As the head of both our offense and defense, he has helped the team to 11th in offensive efficiency and 4th in defensive efficiency.

Speaking of point guards, how fun is it watching Miller post up out there? He has been automatic this season posting other guards by either dropping the bucket or drawing a shooting foul. And whats best is that they (they being his opponents) know its coming.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I voted Nene because he really seemed to settle us down in the 3rd and sans the FT shooting was just great throughout. Shame non of our other bigs decided to show up. Liked that Beal found ways to contribute even though the shot didn't fall. Keep taking 3s Beal, they'll fall.

Wall was the best player today. Honestly it seemed like a quiet 20-10 game. That is when you know he is good.

Back to back 20 and 10s at that.

Oh and the 2nd time he did that in the last 6 games.

He was 1 assist short of doing it a another time back in Sat 11/22 and Tue 11/25

AD is the only one I am aware of that is averaging a 20 and 10 this year. BG did it his first two years.

Wall is averaging 17.9 pts. He would have to take it up another level to average 20 and 10 and I don't think that is even a goal of his. If others scored more, he would gladly score less and disk out 18 assists.

I can't say how pleased I am he turned out this way. His is exactly the outline of how I want a PG to approach the game and the balanced ego I want them to have. It could have gone differently under different mentoring. This is why its so important how a team is constructed. Wall has a great support system and character players around him.

In terms of a 20 point/10 assist per game season for Wall, I don't think its something he needs to achieve to validate his status among point guards. For starters, as others on the board have previously pointed out, it's a very elite and difficult club to join. Its members include Oscar Robertson (x5), 'Tiny' Nate Archibald (once), Magic Johnson (x3), Isaiah Thomas (x4), Kevin Johnson (x3), Tim Hardaway (x2), and Chris Paul(x2) all of whom are HoF-ers or likely to be. Chris Paul is the only person to accomplish the feat in the last two decades' Hardaway had been the last in 93'. In the twenty times a 20 point/10 assists season has been achieved, only Magic has (1) gone to a Finals and (2) won a championship in the same season (he went to the Finals twice averaging 20/10 for a season; won one, lost one). The likes of John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, or even Jazz-era Deron Williams were never able to achieve (although they all came close at least once) those numbers for a single season and were still able to be very successful. Heck, only 9 players have even averaged 10+ assist for a season in the last two decades (only 6 did it more than once) not including Wall or Lawson who are on pace to average their first 10+ assists seasons of their careers.

Again as others have pointed out, the 20 point/10 assists club is pretty thing to add to your resume, but its arbitrary. A guy in my head is ranked no less if he averaged 19 and 13 as opposed to 21 and 10. I think its a result of the ESPN-era were if you twist stats enough you can place any said player in a group of only a few other players (I saw this the other day when ESPN made the "only players averaging at least 16 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists club' or something like that). If it happens, great…awesome…specfreakingtaculer… but its not all really that important in the grand scheme of basketball.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I voted Nene because he really seemed to settle us down in the 3rd and sans the FT shooting was just great throughout. Shame non of our other bigs decided to show up. Liked that Beal found ways to contribute even though the shot didn't fall. Keep taking 3s Beal, they'll fall.

Wall was the best player today. Honestly it seemed like a quiet 20-10 game. That is when you know he is good.

Back to back 20 and 10s at that.

Oh and the 2nd time he did that in the last 6 games.

He was 1 assist short of doing it a another time back in Sat 11/22 and Tue 11/25

AD is the only one I am aware of that is averaging a 20 and 10 this year. BG did it his first two years.

Wall is averaging 17.9 pts. He would have to take it up another level to average 20 and 10 and I don't think that is even a goal of his. If others scored more, he would gladly score less and disk out 18 assists.

I can't say how pleased I am he turned out this way. His is exactly the outline of how I want a PG to approach the game and the balanced ego I want them to have. It could have gone differently under different mentoring. This is why its so important how a team is constructed. Wall has a great support system and character players around him.

In terms of a 20 point/10 assist per game season for Wall, I don't think its something he needs to achieve to validate his status among point guards. For starters, as others on the board have previously pointed out, it's a very elite and difficult club to join. Its members include Oscar Robertson (x5), 'Tiny' Nate Archibald (once), Magic Johnson (x3), Isaiah Thomas (x4), Kevin Johnson (x3), Tim Hardaway (x2), and Chris Paul(x2) all of whom are HoF-ers or likely to be. Chris Paul is the only person to accomplish the feat in the last two decades; Hardaway had been the last in 93'. In the twenty times a 20 point/10 assists season has been achieved, only Magic has (1) gone to a Finals and (2) won a championship in the same season (he went to the Finals twice averaging 20/10 for a season; won one, lost one). The likes of John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, or even Jazz-era Deron Williams were never able to achieve (although they all came close at least once) those numbers for a single season and were still able to be very successful. Heck, only 9 players have even averaged 10+ assist for a season in the last two decades (only 6 did it more than once) not including Wall or Lawson who are on pace to average their first 10+ assists seasons of their careers.

Again as others have pointed out, the 20 point/10 assists club is pretty thing to add to your resume, but its arbitrary. A guy in my head is ranked no less if he averaged 19 and 13 as opposed to 21 and 10. I think its a result of the ESPN-era were if you twist stats enough you can place any said player in a group of only a few other players (I saw this the other day when ESPN made the "only players averaging at least 16 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists club' or something like that). If it happens, great…awesome…specfreakingtaculer… but its not all really that important in the grand scheme of basketball.