Grunfeld/Wittman Extension

[wizfactor94]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

[nuposse04]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

I doubt anyone here has actually coached a pro team, so to that end, perhaps. What is foolish is to think that there aren't better candidates out there. Everyone gives Randy his dues on defense, but no competent individual thinks he is an acceptable offensive coach. Which becomes a bigger issue when we play good teams that our defense can't contain (ATL, CLE, and CHI in the east, pretty much all playoff teams in the west).

But hey, lets keep employing a coach who doesn't even know how to orient a playboard

[wizfactor94]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

I doubt anyone here has actually coached a pro team, so to that end, perhaps. What is foolish is to think that there aren't better candidates out there. Everyone gives Randy his dues on defense, but no competent individual thinks he is an acceptable offensive coach. Which becomes a bigger issue when we play good teams that our defense can't contain (ATL, CLE, and CHI in the east, pretty much all playoff teams in the west).

But hey, lets keep employing a coach who doesn't even know how to orient a playboard

Yea that playboard segment really tells a lot about him right? I mean really? people reaching for straws...

2015 has exceeded the crying whining fan, It's not just the Wizards, it is every team , now its more blaming the coach than the ref's

I mean do people just live in the moment, root for the team to win. I can understand having some second thought's about certain coaching decisions, I mean I do too, but the coach blaming has been down right ridiculous.

Not one person mentioned how terrible Wall's decision making on his offensive shooting was, not only that , but he also just looked like a YMCA type shooter out there, no confidence in his shot,

Your coach gives you the opportunity to prove your franchise tag, and he cannot hit multiple, I mean 5 or 6 WIDE OPEN shots, either off the dribble, or just WIDE OPEN..

Then you got BEAL who cannot hit any type of shot. WIDE OPEN or not, coming of curl screens to try to get him going, and he cannot make a shot.


Im fine with people hating on coaching, but honestly many games Wittman puts these guys in decent opportunity to win, this game was a great example....

It was Wall and Beal who almost messed it up for Wittman this game and the team and Paul Pierce. They would have been solely to blame for playing like little sissies.

Their's got to be a point where these guys become playoff performers, and not scared little girls with no confidence.

I will say this though, Wall and Beal played very very very good defense, so they get a pass for sure, they would have never won the game if not for the good defense,

but wittman did nothing wrong on offense game 1, these guys have to hits shots, but they still do not have the mentality of slowing things down in their heads, especially Wall, Beal just chokes, but Wall make's some borderline D League decisions on his shots....

That and he isn't a good shooter, very Rondo like in this game....many of his shots made were 1 handed 12 foot floaters. Just insanity.

[Dat2U]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

Wow, I didn't know any of us realgm'ers were up for the job. What amazing fact will you tell us next? None of us can outplay Rasual Butler?

[milellie111]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

Wow, I didn't know any of us realgm'ers were up for the job. What amazing fact will you tell us next? None of us can outplay Rasual Butler?

I think he means that just because some are signed up on a forum named RealGM, doesn't actually make them real GM's or coaches. Some on here live in fantasy land and believe their own hype that just because they watch a few ball games a year and read some articles over the Internet and debate on a forum, that they are qualified to manage a half billion dollar franchise or make coaching decisions.

He is right. Players need to hit more open shots. Wittman coached them in a position to win. The whole let's blame the coach/GM if we lose broken record is getting old and unwarranted.

[montestewart]

I hope the Raptors pull the backdoor sweep so you can disappear once and for all.

What kind of fan hopes for his team to lose in the playoffs??!!

I know, it's so baffling that such passionate lifetime fans would rather see the Wizards lose than to read more of your posts. That seems a disproportionate response, like committing suicide over diarrhea.

[fishercob]

mods? Merge somewhere maybe?

The Wizards win a playoff game and we need a new thread to discuss the employment status of the coach and GM?

Could this not go like 4 other places?

[nuposse04]

Yea that playboard segment really tells a lot about him right? I mean really? people reaching for straws...

2015 has exceeded the crying whining fan, It's not just the Wizards, it is every team , now its more blaming the coach than the ref's

I'm suppose to blame refs for a promotion of long 2s being taken? For no real development of players? Ah ok, guess I missed that. Refs can suck, but so can players....and yes refs and GMs as well.

I mean do people just live in the moment, root for the team to win. I can understand having some second thought's about certain coaching decisions, I mean I do too, but the coach blaming has been down right ridiculous.

If you'll notice in the game thread today, I wasn't really ripping Randy as much as usual, mostly cause he actually utilized some better and more intelligent concepts today. What is infuriating is how devoid he was of those during the regular season.

Not one person mentioned how terrible Wall's decision making on his offensive shooting was, not only that , but he also just looked like a YMCA type shooter out there, no confidence in his shot,

Your coach gives you the opportunity to prove your franchise tag, and he cannot hit multiple, I mean 5 or 6 WIDE OPEN shots, either off the dribble, or just WIDE OPEN..

Then you got BEAL who cannot hit any type of shot. WIDE OPEN or not, coming of curl screens to try to get him going, and he cannot make a shot.

Its true they couldn't make shots today. They did do other stuff, but why doesn't Randy have the balls to tell them to stop shooting as much? He is a "good" coach probably to you...so why doesn't he actually coach and reprimand players for incompetent performances? Also, it is Randy who enables Beal to chuck as many mid range shots as he does, and with Wall. He promotes that crap as "good shots." And the real issue is how bad the offense looks without a S4. Our 2 man games are atrocious, no off the ball movement. That is a constant thing, so that tells me Randy has no creative juices what so ever. 1 playoff victory does not absolve Randy of 2 seasons worth less then average offense. Worst part yet, he still maintains defense is the bigger issue (which anyone with half a brain would know, is not true). So either Randy is stupid, or a liar. Probably the former.

Im fine with people hating on coaching, but honestly many games Wittman puts these guys in decent opportunity to win, this game was a great example....

It was Wall and Beal who almost messed it up for Wittman this game and the team and Paul Pierce. They would have been solely to blame for playing like little sissies.

Their's got to be a point where these guys become playoff performers, and not scared little girls with no confidence.

What exactly did Randy do to make them win? Randy played seraphin who was -6 out there over hump. Randy didn't start Pierce at the 4 like he ought to. He hasn't improved Wall/Beals shot selection. I will however give Randy some kudos on D with regards to Porter. He's turning out to be a fine defender. But shame on Randy for taking so long to give him consistent minutes. Remember, the Randy hate is inclusive of what happened in the RS, and not a whole lot to get giddy about happened in the RS.

I will say this though, Wall and Beal played very very very good defense, so they get a pass for sure, they would have never won the game if not for the good defense,

but wittman did nothing wrong on offense game 1, these guys have to hits shots, but they still do not have the mentality of slowing things down in their heads, especially Wall, Beal just chokes, but Wall make's some borderline D League decisions on his shots....

The team defense was good, I imagine TOR, like us, just missed open shots. Lots of jitters both ways. As far as doing nothing wrong, well I already detailed what I thought would have been better moves. I don't know who green lights Beal as much as they do, but Randy can't allow that IF they are cold. Otherwise, this game's offensive woes wasn't entirely on Randy. He is lucky the bench scored as much as they did, but raptors aren't exactly great defensively, so that was a welcome surprise.

That and he isn't a good shooter, very Rondo like in this game....many of his shots made were 1 handed 12 foot floaters. Just insanity.

He isn't...but neither Wall or Beal are sub 35% TS players, I think they'll bounce back in game 2. As will the raps.

As for more qualifications of Randy...tell me, which young player has he developed past their pedigree? Wall was a number 1 pick so it was expected he improve as much as he has. Seraphin is still a piece of crap. Booker was good from day 1 (and look in UTAH he has 3 pt range... -______________- ). Beal is an average SG in year three and has bad habits enabled. Porter has improved but I'm not sure we include his rookie season since he was injured and buried behind Ariza and Webster. Singleton was a decent prospect when drafted but busted out. I won't blame Randy for Jan, he just sucked. So yah...Randy' ability to develop a player, is not good moving forward.


Now as to key players who got here. Gortat was better in PHX, as was Nene. They were utilized much more competently. Hump was better for brad stevens. Pierce has been great everywhere, so not a product of Randy. Blair was very good for the Spurs and Dallas. But comparing him to those coaches is probably unfair, those guys are top 2 in the NBA...while Randy is....well....not.



So yah, Randy's body of work definitely doesn't warrant an extension. If he somehow gets them to finals, than I could understand some backing to that...but lets see that happen.

[80sballboy]

They won one GD game and you come out with this thread? In fact, we didn't win the game. Toronto lost it. How stupid can you be? How about let this play out before you start his sh-t. The only thing we agree about is that you're not a real fan if you are rooting against your team just so a coach and GM might get fired (not likely).

[Sluggerface]

Already knew some clueless Wittman apologists who have never watched one second of Western conference play were going to come out of the woodwork after Game 1. I'm going to have to take a break from the boards. Might pop a blood vessel.

[TGW]

I hope the Raptors pull the backdoor sweep so you can disappear once and for all.

What kind of fan hopes for his team to lose in the playoffs??!!

I know, it's so baffling that such passionate lifetime fans would rather see the Wizards lose than to read more of your posts. That seems a disproportionate response, like committing suicide over diarrhea.

[wizfactor94]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

Wow, I didn't know any of us realgm'ers were up for the job. What amazing fact will you tell us next? None of us can outplay Rasual Butler?

You just made the point that I am making. That you do not know the job, so your opinion and others that make on Wittman's moves can be thrown out the window , made fun of, or ridiculed.

Although that is not the case with coach hating, everyone thinks they are right, and will get angry when someone (like me) disagrees.

But keep on thinking your actually coach's.

[wizfactor94]

They won one GD game and you come out with this thread? In fact, we didn't win the game. Toronto lost it. How stupid can you be? How about let this play out before you start his sh-t. The only thing we agree about is that you're not a real fan if you are rooting against your team just so a coach and GM might get fired (not likely).

How many other teams "LOSE" the game. This is laughable, just taking any type of credit away.

Beal shot 6-23, Wall shots 5-17 or something,

A 37 year old scored 20 , and basically won the game,

Yea, Toronto lost it.

Your stupider than I thought.

But please give me your reasons why Toronto lost it and how Wittman still did a bad job of coaching.

Let's hear it old might basketball god lol.

[gambitx777]

This is all we need to know about Wittman.

[Dat2U]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

Wow, I didn't know any of us realgm'ers were up for the job. What amazing fact will you tell us next? None of us can outplay Rasual Butler?

You just made the point that I am making. That you do not know the job, so your opinion and others that make on Wittman's moves can be thrown out the window , made fun of, or ridiculed.

Although that is not the case with coach hating, everyone thinks they are right, and will get angry when someone (like me) disagrees.

But keep on thinking your actually coach's.

Ha! The nerve of people confusing this place with a message board.

[FreeBalling]

People here think they are better coach's than Wittman, fools.

I dont care how bad many of you say Wittman is, you guys are 20 times worse.

Wow, I didn't know any of us realgm'ers were up for the job. What amazing fact will you tell us next? None of us can outplay Rasual Butler?

I think he means that just because some are signed up on a forum named RealGM, doesn't actually make them real GM's or coaches. Some on here live in fantasy land and believe their own hype that just because they watch a few ball games a year and read some articles over the Internet and debate on a forum, that they are qualified to manage a half billion dollar franchise or make coaching decisions.

He is right. Players need to hit more open shots. Wittman coached them in a position to win. The whole let's blame the coach/GM if we lose broken record is getting old and unwarranted.

Witt could have pulled Beal yesterday b/c of his poor play. However, he trusts Beal to make shots and we won. If Witt sits Beal it might cause more issues down the road.

Wall and Beal both should be smart enough to know the hot is where the ball should be. Hero ball is for kids playing on the blacktop dreaming about the NBA. Wall and Beal seemed very selfish late in the game yesterday taking low % shots when its a playoff game. That's not Witts fault.

[wizfactor94]

Wow, I didn't know any of us realgm'ers were up for the job. What amazing fact will you tell us next? None of us can outplay Rasual Butler?

I think he means that just because some are signed up on a forum named RealGM, doesn't actually make them real GM's or coaches. Some on here live in fantasy land and believe their own hype that just because they watch a few ball games a year and read some articles over the Internet and debate on a forum, that they are qualified to manage a half billion dollar franchise or make coaching decisions.

He is right. Players need to hit more open shots. Wittman coached them in a position to win. The whole let's blame the coach/GM if we lose broken record is getting old and unwarranted.

Witt could have pulled Beal yesterday b/c of his poor play. However, he trusts Beal to make shots and we won. If Witt sits Beal it might cause more issues down the road.

Wall and Beal both should be smart enough to know the hot is where the ball should be. Hero ball is for kids playing on the blacktop dreaming about the NBA. Wall and Beal seemed very selfish late in the game yesterday taking low % shots when its a playoff game. That's not Witts fault.

You have to ride and die with your stars (supposed) , Wall played like John Crotty on offense yesterday. Just below average confidence, I mean he had confidence of a high school player. Reminded me of Rondo in his second year.

The crazy thing is that Wall got wide open looks both spot up and ones off the dribble, but his jumper is broke beyond belief!

Why they stayed in was because they played tremendous defense, Wall and Beal, and I get on Wall for being lazy, yesterday they played great defense for like 45 minutes + OVERTIME, so they did VERY WELL...

But these guys are going to have to become stars in the playoffs....they cant be bums on offense like they were because eventually your offense is going to have to overcome defense.

[pineappleheadindc]

mods? Merge somewhere maybe?

The Wizards win a playoff game and we need a new thread to discuss the employment status of the coach and GM?

Could this not go like 4 other places?

Fair point, Fish.

This is locked b/c it's a duplicate for lotsa other threads.

Pine