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Post#161 » by deneem4 » Mon Mar 7, 2016 1:42 am

dckingsfan wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Adding to BigE - I don't think we have the talent. We don't have a single top 5 player at any position. Wall just isn't there this year. After John, we don't have a top 10 player at any position. That isn't talent. So, if a player like Lebron comes after you for a game or series - you are done.

Come on - Neal would have been toast on the defensive end of the court and Anderson is on a minutes restriction (especially in back to backs).

This is a talent manifestation - you can toss in the coaching - but it is talent first and foremost.


Wall is a top 5 pg...curry,Westbrook,Lillard,cp, wall

Lebron came at us and we sent Morris back at him

(even though it was too late back then, and no I'm not saying Morris is better than lebron for the nitpickers, simply saying he scored at will with lebron playing tight d whenever we ran a play for him)

Beal is currently good enough to be a top 10 sg he was a top 5 sg last year in the playoffs...it's a short stretch but that's big for a 21 yr old..

Once again all this falls back to the coach, curry wasn't considered a top 5 pg before mark Jackson, now he's the best player in the league, look at Isaiah thomas, the trailblazers team, no knew McCollum before this year....
On paper were in the top 10 maybe 7 most talented teams...takes a good coach to put it together because we don't have a winning vet to lead us


(for the entirety of the year) Curry, Westbrook ----- Lillard, Lowry, Paul ------ Wall, Thomas, Walker, Jackson. But let's say for argument sake I agree with you. No, Beal isn't a top 10 SG. And he hit the deck and was done. So, we have a top 5 player (almost) and then maybe - stretch, stretch, stretch a top 10, and then (cliff dive).

If you want to say Wittman is a meh coach - I am not going to disagree. You want to get rid of him when EG goes out the door :nod:

But the talent just isn't there for any kind of consistency. This starts waaaaayyyyy before Wittman gets his hands on the team.


Every one has said wall is a top 5 point guard..https://youtu.be/H3XZOBxikkg

It's not a debate about that...Lowry isn't better than Wall u put wall on those raptors vs Lowry and you have a real contender...

Beal has been injury prone this year, but a g the level he played in the playoffs last year at such a young age...I understand...he should've took the 1st 10 games off of this season...and got himself back ready but when healthy he's easily top 10,

Morris is our 3rd guy whether you guys realize it or not...he can score literally whenever he wants...on pretty much who ever he want in isolation, he's also showing hes a hellava defender...top 10
Davis/green/griffin/la/love/milsap/favors/ibaka/bosh/dirk?/
But hes better than say a faried or a Tete
....u can insert the other 4 pfs but he's at that top 15 mark

According to posters on this board gortat is top 10 lol...so hey, we have 2 top 10 talents in our starting lineup...

Top 5 pg
Top 12 sg
----potential lol or Dudley
Top 15 pf...
Top 10 center....(in some wizards fan opinions)

Sf is our weakest position, is Porter bad? No....but he needs capable players to be a glue guy...u can't be a glue guy with temple in the lineup because temple suppose to be the glue guy....u can't be the glue guy with Dudley because.....it's dudley...

And in my personal opinion so we can take this to his thread to debate it
Oubre has the most potential out of any wing in that draft, and should be starting or 6th man

The bench?
Sessions gets to the line better than anyone else coming off the bench...would mean something if wall tried to get to the line and he would be able to feast
Dudley still top 5 3pt shooter
Nene in limited minutes is a monster still...as long as its limited minutes...probably one of the better bigs off the bench in the league
Hickson good motor hustle big
Eddie the unknown jedi that single handley killed the spurs but don't get pt

Talent doesn't win games alone of the Timberwolves would be top 5 in the west...like I said we have no winning leaders on the team anymore....coach or player....thats what helps talent come together, showing it how to win
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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Re: Wiz at Cavs Game Thread 

Post#162 » by dckingsfan » Mon Mar 7, 2016 2:06 pm

Are we arguing over one another? I just want to make sure that you are saying we have talent THIS YEAR and we should have been more consistant. Given that you fluxuate from past to future, I can't figure out if you are saying we should be good in the future or now.

deneem4 wrote:Every one has said wall is a top 5 point guard..https://youtu.be/H3XZOBxikkg

Not this year (NTY) - his D is down and he is measurably worse than last year. He has moved into the 3rd tier of PGs and has been outplayed in many games this year. My favorite player on the Wizards - but he has said it himself, "I've played like Sh*t this season".

deneem4 wrote:Beal has been injury prone this year, but a g the level he played in the playoffs last year at such a young age...I understand...he should've took the 1st 10 games off of this season...and got himself back ready but when healthy he's easily top 10.

Again, NTY - he hasn't even played like a top 20 SG. He is injured and not moving well - also adding to his poor D.

deneem4 wrote:Sf is our weakest position, is Porter bad? No....but he needs capable players to be a glue guy...u can't be a glue guy with temple in the lineup because temple suppose to be the glue guy....u can't be the glue guy with Dudley because.....it's dudley...

So, we are top 30 at SF? Porter is our most improved player this year.

deneem4 wrote:Morris is our 3rd guy whether you guys realize it or not...he can score literally whenever he wants...on pretty much who ever he want in isolation, he's also showing hes a hellava defender...top 10

Hahahaha, snort. His defensive rebounding has been a pleasant surprise - but not his offense.
deneem4 wrote:According to posters on this board gortat is top 10 lol...so hey, we have 2 top 10 talents in our starting lineup...

Okay, so not top 10. You make the point. We have one top 10 talent THIS YEAR. And there is no way for a team to be consistent with that type of lack of talent.

deneem4 wrote:Top 5 pg (THIS YEAR?)
Top 12 sg (THIS YEAR?)
----potential lol or Dudley
Top 15 pf...(THIS YEAR?)
Top 10 center....(in some wizards fan opinions)

Even with those inflated numbers, you are again making the point, if you want consistency, you need better talent.

deneem4 wrote:And in my personal opinion so we can take this to his thread to debate it Oubre has the most potential out of any wing in that draft, and should be starting or 6th man.

He has outright sucked lemons THIS YEAR - he isn't going to get minutes if the push is for the playoffs. You would have to be an outright knucklehead of a coach to play him and risk your job - which Wittman hasn't. He clealy got the message from EG to make a run for the playoffs.


deneem4 wrote:The bench? Sessions gets to the line better than anyone else coming off the bench...would mean something if wall tried to get to the line and he would be able to feast Dudley still top 5 3pt shooter Nene in limited minutes is a monster still...as long as its limited minutes...probably one of the better bigs off the bench in the league Hickson good motor hustle big Eddie the unknown jedi that single handley killed the spurs but don't get pt

The bench would have been fine if not injured. We would have been better if Anderson and Dudley were really healthy to start the season. If Beal was healthy. If Nene was healthy... EG does what EG does - assemble an injured veteran roster.
deneem4 wrote:Talent doesn't win games alone of the Timberwolves would be top 5 in the west...like I said we have no winning leaders on the team anymore....coach or player....thats what helps talent come together, showing it how to win

Warriors
Curry, Thompson, Green
Spurs
Aldridge, Leonard, Parker
OKC
Westbrook, Durant, Obaka
Clippers
CP, Griffin and Jordan
Cleveland
Irving, James, Love
Toronto
Lowry, DeRozan, Valanciunas

You can have talent and still lose, but if you want to win consistantly, you need talent. We have nothing like those teams above. Not even close. Given how Wall has played. Given all the injuries - how we have stayed close to .500 shows that this team HAS stayed together. Wow - sorry the rant was sooooo long.
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Re: Wiz at Cavs Game Thread 

Post#163 » by deneem4 » Mon Mar 7, 2016 7:52 pm

Before I speak about wall lemme say this

1.Lowry/derozan...Val shouldn't be included, especially considering Carroll....you should've used the Celtics but they're winning off coaching and chemistry...

2. Blake isn't playing and clippers are still winning like normal so I guess Blake replacement must be just as talented as Blake?

3...that last paragraph

"You can have talent and still lose, but if you want to win consistently, you need talent"

Is extremely contradicting...
I think you meant

You can have talent and still lose but to win consistently you need coaching...

That sound so much better, and makes so much sense
We're not lacking talent were injury prone and were lacking coaching nd chemistry...

We're not close to 500 because of the team...we're close to 500 because wall is single handled willing us there...
Our non top 5 pg has us 2 games out the playoffs...
yes it's wall singlehanded because every one else has missed Atleast 5-10 games
7th in triple doubles
5th in double double
It's not the team staying together it's wall...we have no chemistry, wall jus gets guys good looks or does it himself

look at the rockets
Howard, harden, beverely or ariza which ever, float your boat...like 2 games ahead of us??
Or
Portland I guess Lillard and McCollum talent is better than Houston?

boston whole team is full of non top talented guys how are they winning??
Charlotte??
Memphis???

Sorry this rant is soooo long but next time jus say we're injured, not untalented...
I mean we did go to the 2nd rd last year with this roster
Swept in your opinion a top 6 talented team with this roster,
And we did it the year before with this roster
(jus in case u say pierce)

Consistently winning in Basketball is coaching as much as it is sheer talent...and if your talented guy becomes injured, he's still talented, jus injured...ask kyrie, wall is shooting 3s better than him this year...

We're injured...THIS YEAR...extremely injured...but we're far from untalented
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!

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