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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#221 » by nate33 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:00 pm

Throwback24 wrote:What is wrong with Otto? Is he injured?

He has been dealing with a hip injury since January. It's definitely slowed him down a bit. He looked much quicker and more athletic in November and December.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#222 » by Throwback24 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:43 pm

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Throwback24 wrote:What is wrong with Otto? Is he injured?

He has been dealing with a hip injury since January. It's definitely slowed him down a bit. He looked much quicker and more athletic in November and December.


I understand you guys are vying for a playoff spot but why not sit him out? You've got the luxury of playing Alan Anderson until he's 100% healthy.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#223 » by TheSecretWeapon » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:11 pm

Throwback24 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Throwback24 wrote:What is wrong with Otto? Is he injured?

He has been dealing with a hip injury since January. It's definitely slowed him down a bit. He looked much quicker and more athletic in November and December.


I understand you guys are vying for a playoff spot but why not sit him out? You've got the luxury of playing Alan Anderson until he's 100% healthy.

A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#224 » by Throwback24 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:51 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
Throwback24 wrote:
nate33 wrote:He has been dealing with a hip injury since January. It's definitely slowed him down a bit. He looked much quicker and more athletic in November and December.


I understand you guys are vying for a playoff spot but why not sit him out? You've got the luxury of playing Alan Anderson until he's 100% healthy.

A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.


He hasn't played like it for quite a while which is why I'm asking.

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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#225 » by DCZards » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:58 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
Throwback24 wrote:
nate33 wrote:He has been dealing with a hip injury since January. It's definitely slowed him down a bit. He looked much quicker and more athletic in November and December.


I understand you guys are vying for a playoff spot but why not sit him out? You've got the luxury of playing Alan Anderson until he's 100% healthy.

A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.


I disagree with B. I don't think Porter is MUCH better than Anderson...and at this point in their careers I'm not sure that Porter is even better than Anderson. I expect and hope that Porter will someday be MUCH better than Anderson.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#226 » by TheSecretWeapon » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:11 pm

DCZards wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:
Throwback24 wrote:
I understand you guys are vying for a playoff spot but why not sit him out? You've got the luxury of playing Alan Anderson until he's 100% healthy.

A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.


I disagree with B. I don't think Porter is MUCH better than Anderson...and at this point in their careers I'm not sure that Porter is even better than Anderson. I expect and hope that Porter will someday be MUCH better than Anderson.

If you want to compare the 93 minutes Anderson has played for the Wizards, then sure -- Anderson has played better. But, Anderson isn't likely to continue with an efg of .685 for much longer. By the end of the season, it'll be much more in line with how he's shot in the previous 6,293 minutes of his career: somewhere in the vicinity of 48-50% (efg). He's also probably not going to see his turnovers, rebounds and assists return to around career norms as well.

At career norms, Anderson rated well below average. So far this season, Porter rates solidly above average. Hench "much" better.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#227 » by Dark Faze » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:31 pm

Its not all about efficiency. Porter is such a non factor on offense most of the time.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#228 » by TheSecretWeapon » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:47 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Its not all about efficiency. Porter is such a non factor on offense most of the time.

Porter's usage rate is higher than Anderson's.
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#229 » by payitforward » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:28 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
DCZards wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.


I disagree with B. I don't think Porter is MUCH better than Anderson...and at this point in their careers I'm not sure that Porter is even better than Anderson. I expect and hope that Porter will someday be MUCH better than Anderson.

If you want to compare the 93 minutes Anderson has played for the Wizards, then sure -- Anderson has played better. But, Anderson isn't likely to continue with an efg of .685 for much longer. By the end of the season, it'll be much more in line with how he's shot in the previous 6,293 minutes of his career: somewhere in the vicinity of 48-50% (efg). He's also probably not going to see his turnovers, rebounds and assists return to around career norms as well.

At career norms, Anderson rated well below average. So far this season, Porter rates solidly above average. Hench "much" better.

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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#230 » by payitforward » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:08 am

DCZards wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:
Throwback24 wrote:
I understand you guys are vying for a playoff spot but why not sit him out? You've got the luxury of playing Alan Anderson until he's 100% healthy.

A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.

I disagree with B. I don't think Porter is MUCH better than Anderson...and at this point in their careers I'm not sure that Porter is even better than Anderson. I expect and hope that Porter will someday be MUCH better than Anderson.

I don't think it's even ambiguous: what are some things that would make Porter better than Anderson (that'd be Otto this year vs. Anderson last year - not his 93 minutes as a Wizard so far)?

If Otto scored more: check, he does
If Otto scored more efficiently: nope -- Alan Anderson had a bit higher TS% last year than Otto does this year
If Otto got more rebounds: check, he does (@ 40% more)
If Otto turned it over less: check, he does
If Otto got more steals: check, he does
If Otto fouled less: check, he does
If Otto blocked more shots: check, he does
If Otto got more assists: check, he does

Now... shooting efficiency is certainly important; but the difference isn't enough to make up for all the many things Otto does better than Alan did last year.

Of course, even though it's only 93 minutes, I can see why it's difficult not to be influenced by what Anderson's done in a few minutes this year. After all, I'm going to guess that, like most of us, Zards really hasn't had that much chance to pay attention to Anderson as a player over the years -- am I wrong about that, Zards?
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#231 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:27 am

payitforward wrote:
DCZards wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.

I disagree with B. I don't think Porter is MUCH better than Anderson...and at this point in their careers I'm not sure that Porter is even better than Anderson. I expect and hope that Porter will someday be MUCH better than Anderson.

I don't think it's even ambiguous: what are some things that would make Porter better than Anderson (that'd be Otto this year vs. Anderson last year - not his 93 minutes as a Wizard so far)?

If Otto scored more: check, he does
If Otto scored more efficiently: nope -- Alan Anderson had a bit higher TS% last year than Otto does this year
If Otto got more rebounds: check, he does (@ 40% more)
If Otto turned it over less: check, he does
If Otto got more steals: check, he does
If Otto fouled less: check, he does
If Otto blocked more shots: check, he does
If Otto got more assists: check, he does

Now... shooting efficiency is certainly important; but the difference isn't enough to make up for all the many things Otto does better than Alan did last year.

Of course, even though it's only 93 minutes, I can see why it's difficult not to be influenced by what Anderson's done in a few minutes this year. After all, I'm going to guess that, like most of us, Zards really hasn't had that much chance to pay attention to Anderson as a player over the years -- am I wrong about that, Zards?


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Now, there's an interesting corollary at work with respect to Grunfeldian Logic. It's the Wittmanian Corollary. It calls for a coach to play veterans. Play rookies if and only if they're John Wall-approved jump shooters. (Because above all Wittman must appease John Wall!!!) Bradley Beal comes into play here. He plays.

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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#232 » by DCZards » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:39 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:
DCZards wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:A) Alan Anderson isn't 100%. He's still on a minutes restriction.

B) Porter is MUCH better than Anderson.


I disagree with B. I don't think Porter is MUCH better than Anderson...and at this point in their careers I'm not sure that Porter is even better than Anderson. I expect and hope that Porter will someday be MUCH better than Anderson.


If you want to compare the 93 minutes Anderson has played for the Wizards, then sure -- Anderson has played better. But, Anderson isn't likely to continue with an efg of .685 for much longer. By the end of the season, it'll be much more in line with how he's shot in the previous 6,293 minutes of his career: somewhere in the vicinity of 48-50% (efg). He's also probably not going to see his turnovers, rebounds and assists return to around career norms as well.

At career norms, Anderson rated well below average. So far this season, Porter rates solidly above average. Hench "much" better.


I'd love to see them utilize OP more....trust me on that.

I won't argue as to who is the better player statwise--Otto or Alan-- but a lot of what the Zards need right now on both ends of the court is best provided by AA, imo...including Anderson's experience and toughness.

And, after all, we only have AA's 93 minutes to go by right now ... and we agree he's played better than OP. :)
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Re: Game Thread: WAS @ POR Tue Feb 8 10PM 

Post#233 » by DCZards » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:48 am

payitforward wrote:
Of course, even though it's only 93 minutes, I can see why it's difficult not to be influenced by what Anderson's done in a few minutes this year. After all, I'm going to guess that, like most of us, Zards really hasn't had that much chance to pay attention to Anderson as a player over the years -- am I wrong about that, Zards?


I'd like to see both OP and AA get quality minutes. Both are capable of helping the Zards win. For reasons that go beyond numbers. There is such a thing you know?

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