Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[Dat2U]

This is in the too little to matter department, but I'd rather see us keep Keene, Robinson and Cunningham over (alternate universe 1st round pick) McCullough

Chris did not play badly. ! Not at all. Give him a chance he's athletic and active and plays solid D .

I think.we.couls trade gortat at even or positive value. Mahinmi... I think trying to pull a s$t for Len makes sense he's probably only gonna get 8-10 mill a year so it helps us out and they get a pick and a play able center. I honestly would love a Zeller gortat swap with the hornets.

I would love Zeller for Gortat too. Why would Charlotte trade the younger, cheaper & better player again?

[gambitx777]

This is in the too little to matter department, but I'd rather see us keep Keene, Robinson and Cunningham over (alternate universe 1st round pick) McCullough

Chris did not play badly. ! Not at all. Give him a chance he's athletic and active and plays solid D .

I think.we.couls trade gortat at even or positive value. Mahinmi... I think trying to pull a s$t for Len makes sense he's probably only gonna get 8-10 mill a year so it helps us out and they get a pick and a play able center. I honestly would love a Zeller gortat swap with the hornets.

I would love Zeller for Gortat too. Why would Charlotte trade the younger, cheaper & better player again?

Zeller is not cheaper, he has 4 year left on his deal that starts at 12 million and goes up and ends on 15, So 30 million on the back end or so. Also they have Howard now and gortat has proven that he is more effective in low minute situations that zeller, So what not trade the longer mroe expencive contract for a cheaper shorter solution. instead of having all that money tied up into centers.

We do it because gortat wants out and Zeller is a younger starting option than gortat.

[80sballboy]

Chris did not play badly. ! Not at all. Give him a chance he's athletic and active and plays solid D .

I think.we.couls trade gortat at even or positive value. Mahinmi... I think trying to pull a s$t for Len makes sense he's probably only gonna get 8-10 mill a year so it helps us out and they get a pick and a play able center. I honestly would love a Zeller gortat swap with the hornets.

I would love Zeller for Gortat too. Why would Charlotte trade the younger, cheaper & better player again?

Zeller is not cheaper, he has 4 year left on his deal that starts at 12 million and goes up and ends on 15, So 30 million on the back end or so. Also they have Howard now and gortat has proven that he is more effective in low minute situations that zeller, So what not trade the longer mroe expencive contract for a cheaper shorter solution. instead of having all that money tied up into centers.

We do it because gortat wants out and Zeller is a younger starting option than gortat.

Zeller is athletic enough to play some power forward alongside Dwight. Why would Charlotte trade him away for a $12M backup center to Dwight? Makes no sense. I think Gortat gets traded mid-season to a team that has an injury at center or decides they need an experienced big who can rebound and set great screens. I thought we would trade him last season when we got Mahinmi but that would have been devastating considering Ian's lack of durability. I think we're stuck with Ian and to be honest, we desperately need his defensive presence.

[gambitx777]

I would love Zeller for Gortat too. Why would Charlotte trade the younger, cheaper & better player again?

Zeller is not cheaper, he has 4 year left on his deal that starts at 12 million and goes up and ends on 15, So 30 million on the back end or so. Also they have Howard now and gortat has proven that he is more effective in low minute situations that zeller, So what not trade the longer mroe expencive contract for a cheaper shorter solution. instead of having all that money tied up into centers.

We do it because gortat wants out and Zeller is a younger starting option than gortat.

Zeller is athletic enough to play some power forward alongside Dwight. Why would Charlotte trade him away for a $12M backup center to Dwight? Makes no sense. I think Gortat gets traded mid-season to a team that has an injury at center or decides they need an experienced big who can rebound and set great screens. I thought we would trade him last season when we got Mahinmi but that would have been devastating considering Ian's lack of durability. I think we're stuck with Ian and to be honest, we desperately need his defensive presence.

You do realise that this move would give them max cap room in 2 years right? in two years where most teams will be in the tax let alone not have cap room. Gortat is a cheaper option and does not need as many minutes, you think zeller can play PF LOL, Hes fits as a back up there better than Zeller does, zeller makes sens for us because we get a younger player for gortat. does not help us cap wise but **** it id still do it.

[dangermouse]

Probably belongs in the "other teams moves" thread, but ticker says Melo confident he lands on the Rockets.

How do Rockets swing this? Ryan Anderson and Ariza works in the trade machine. But won't they need to add sweetener?

All that aside, I think my point is that if they trade Ariza, I can't see Ariza wanting to be back on a sh*tty rebuilding NYk team. Say he gets a buyout or they cut him, he could be a good cheap option to play some 3 & 4, and a great mentor for young Oubs to learn from.

[80sballboy]

Zeller is not cheaper, he has 4 year left on his deal that starts at 12 million and goes up and ends on 15, So 30 million on the back end or so. Also they have Howard now and gortat has proven that he is more effective in low minute situations that zeller, So what not trade the longer mroe expencive contract for a cheaper shorter solution. instead of having all that money tied up into centers.

We do it because gortat wants out and Zeller is a younger starting option than gortat.

Zeller is athletic enough to play some power forward alongside Dwight. Why would Charlotte trade him away for a $12M backup center to Dwight? Makes no sense. I think Gortat gets traded mid-season to a team that has an injury at center or decides they need an experienced big who can rebound and set great screens. I thought we would trade him last season when we got Mahinmi but that would have been devastating considering Ian's lack of durability. I think we're stuck with Ian and to be honest, we desperately need his defensive presence.

You do realise that this move would give them max cap room in 2 years right? in two years where most teams will be in the tax let alone not have cap room. Gortat is a cheaper option and does not need as many minutes, you think zeller can play PF LOL, Hes fits as a back up there better than Zeller does, zeller makes sens for us because we get a younger player for gortat. does not help us cap wise but **** it id still do it.

I'm sure Michael Jordan gives a f-ck about clearing cap room for two years by getting rid of Zeller for an aging Gortat. If he wants to trade Zeller, he can get a much better player that has a deal done in two years. Think about it. Of course I'd want Cody Zeller for Gotat. I'd almost take Tyler but he's not Cody.

[pcbothwel]

Probably belongs in the "other teams moves" thread, but ticker says Melo confident he lands on the Rockets.

How do Rockets swing this? Ryan Anderson and Ariza works in the trade machine. But won't they need to add sweetener?

All that aside, I think my point is that if they trade Ariza, I can't see Ariza wanting to be back on a sh*tty rebuilding NYk team. Say he gets a buyout or they cut him, he could be a good cheap option to play some 3 & 4, and a great mentor for young Oubs to learn from.

Yeah, that trade is not an easy fit. I think the best 3rd team for them is Utah. Anderson goes there and they send Burks and Diaw to NYK. NY waives Diaw immediately saves 15M each of the next two years. Burks has been hurt ALOT and pretty bad, but he is a reclamation project and they need a PG. Utah gets a great stretch 4 for Rubio and Gobert, while de-cluttering their Guard rotation. Utah doesnt really much future cap space, so taking on Anderson doesnt really affect that.
Houston would could add a decent prospect like Hartenstein or Onuaku if needed.

[gambitx777]

Zeller is athletic enough to play some power forward alongside Dwight. Why would Charlotte trade him away for a $12M backup center to Dwight? Makes no sense. I think Gortat gets traded mid-season to a team that has an injury at center or decides they need an experienced big who can rebound and set great screens. I thought we would trade him last season when we got Mahinmi but that would have been devastating considering Ian's lack of durability. I think we're stuck with Ian and to be honest, we desperately need his defensive presence.

You do realise that this move would give them max cap room in 2 years right? in two years where most teams will be in the tax let alone not have cap room. Gortat is a cheaper option and does not need as many minutes, you think zeller can play PF LOL, Hes fits as a back up there better than Zeller does, zeller makes sens for us because we get a younger player for gortat. does not help us cap wise but **** it id still do it.

I'm sure Michael Jordan gives a f-ck about clearing cap room for two years by getting rid of Zeller for an aging Gortat. If he wants to trade Zeller, he can get a much better player that has a deal done in two years. Think about it. Of course I'd want Cody Zeller for Gotat. I'd almost take Tyler but he's not Cody.

Do you watch the Zellers play? They are Sid centers but they are in no stretch amazing. They earn their money like gortat does. But Look at their numbers he needs to be in high usage to be productive. He's not going to get that with Howard there. His productivity is going to dip off gortat wouldn't because he does not need high usage. They reason to get Zeller is because he's 24 and gortat want out not because he's so much better than. Gortat because he's not.

[Rafael122]

Atlanta is looking at Dedmon at the center spot and I saw that they're carrying about $82 million in salary depending on how Crawford's buyout shakes out.

They need to hit the salary cap floor of $89 million. I would totally do a Ian Mahinmi plus picks for Marco Belinelli (last year of his contract) and get it over with.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

...Even Ad-Hoc usage of the MLE or just retaining guys like Ariza or Booker in the 2014 or 2015 timeframe would have ultimately ended up being a much higher percentage play than 2016. You could just about draw the names of modest and available free agents from a hat in those years and be guaranteed to do better (never even minding great deals like Millsap signing for 2 years @ $19 million, for example). And of course, trades in that earlier timeframe for rotation players that came along that would cut into the 2016 max slot plan were back-burnered as well.

The whole ordeal going back a few years really deserves a Seconds From Disaster episode.

Very good points!

But, you'll notice, even last Summer there were teams that made good deals rather than bad ones for FAs. SA, for example, w/ Dedmon.

Good GMs didn't fall into the trap; bad ones like Ernie, otoh....

Yeah, I was referring to the larger chunks of cap space and the expectation management with the "our cap plan...." type deal where a team let's it be known that they're in on cap space for difference makers, especially to season ticket holders and Wall. I'm wondering if not spending money was even an option just for PR purposes with how they had positioned themselves.

There will always be guys who fall through the cracks, though they often are gotten on one or two year show-me contracts (for example, Dedmon is a free agent as we speak). But, that's really a different experience and doesn't require actual cap space.

I do not mind that Ernie spent all his cap space last off-season. I just wished that he had signed short term deals after striking out on his main targets. What was the point of giving Mahinmi & Nicholson 4 full years?
Look at Philly this off-season. They overpaid some veterans, but on short-term deals.

[pcbothwel]

Atlanta is looking at Dedmon at the center spot and I saw that they're carrying about $82 million in salary depending on how Crawford's buyout shakes out.

They need to hit the salary cap floor of $89 million. I would totally do a Ian Mahinmi plus picks for Marco Belinelli (last year of his contract) and get it over with.

I think Gortat actually fits in with them a little better. Belinelli is a net negative player, even with his contract. They also 4 guys ahead of him in their wing rotation (Bazemore, Delany, Prince, Bembry) so he is just money burning.

I think a Gortat for Belinelli + Hou 2018 1st is good for both teams. We then sign Dedmon with the rest of our MLE and go into the trade deadline with a 6M trade exemption.

[Rafael122]

Atlanta is looking at Dedmon at the center spot and I saw that they're carrying about $82 million in salary depending on how Crawford's buyout shakes out.

They need to hit the salary cap floor of $89 million. I would totally do a Ian Mahinmi plus picks for Marco Belinelli (last year of his contract) and get it over with.

I think Gortat actually fits in with them a little better. Belinelli is a net negative player, even with his contract. They also 4 guys ahead of him in their wing rotation (Bazemore, Delany, Prince, Bembry) so he is just money burning.

I think a Gortat for Belinelli + Hou 2018 1st is good for both teams. We then sign Dedmon with the rest of our MLE and go into the trade deadline with a 6M trade exemption.

There's no way we're getting a pick back from them.

[pcbothwel]

Atlanta is looking at Dedmon at the center spot and I saw that they're carrying about $82 million in salary depending on how Crawford's buyout shakes out.

They need to hit the salary cap floor of $89 million. I would totally do a Ian Mahinmi plus picks for Marco Belinelli (last year of his contract) and get it over with.

I think Gortat actually fits in with them a little better. Belinelli is a net negative player, even with his contract. They also 4 guys ahead of him in their wing rotation (Bazemore, Delany, Prince, Bembry) so he is just money burning.

I think a Gortat for Belinelli + Hou 2018 1st is good for both teams. We then sign Dedmon with the rest of our MLE and go into the trade deadline with a 6M trade exemption.

There's no way we're getting a pick back from them.

Sorry, but we need an asset for that trade. We can make it a pick swap or throw in a 2nd, but Im not trading Gortat for Belinelli straight up.
Gortat is going to be a good player this year with reduced minutes. A center is going to get hurt this season, and whether that Center is on our team or someone elses, having Gortat will be a plus at that point.

[montestewart]

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