2017 WizBoard Bench Upgrade Thread

80sballboy · Post #221 » by **80sballboy** » Sat Jul 8, 2017 11:11 pm

europeanfan wrote:Crawford is terrible, even worse than Bogdanovic.

I wasn't for the acquisition but I didn't mind it either. Crawford could at least give some advice to the younger players and doesn't mind hitting game-winners. Kind of like No. 34, who everybody thought was washed up because he couldn't guard a door. But he was a winner. Leadership is something advanced stats don't really cover.

NatP4 · Post #222 » by **NatP4** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 2:29 am

Why wouldn't we be trying to sign CJ Miles?

Miles is an excellent player, can always use a 40% 3 point shooter that is a solid defender also.

gravytrain24 · Post #223 » by **gravytrain24** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 2:45 am

With the Porter signing, what do we have left to offer free agents or are we just going to fill the rest of the roster with guys from the summer league.

NatP4 · Post #224 » by **NatP4** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 2:47 am

gravytrain24 wrote:With the Porter signing, what do we have left to offer free agents or are we just going to fill the rest of the roster with guys from the summer league.

We can still use the minimum, and could use the taxpayer MLE if they weren't so stupid

keynote · Post #225 » by **keynote** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 2:49 am

I can't imagine that Ted will want to bring any other guys in for more than the league minimum unless a Big Name GuyTM becomes available via buyout or trade. Best-case scenario, we find a solid-but-unspectacular guy willing to take a cheap 1-year "prove it" deal.

The problem with that, of course, is that if I'm a solid-but-unspectacular bench player willing to take such a deal, I wouldn't want to go to DC.
The current roster is chock full of mediocre-to-meh guys at each position. If I were a combo guard: I might be a better scorer than Frazier and Sato and a better creator than Meeks, but at least two of those guys are going to get some minutes. If I'm a PF: I'd wonder whether I'd get enough minutes to distinguish myself from Scott/Smith/McCullough. There are other teams who are more likely to be able to give these kinds of bench players a clear role.

We're stuck: we're paying the tax, we're not good enough to attract veteran ring chasers, and we're "deep" at every position. We are who we are.

And, after all of these moves, we're going to go two straight years without a reserve guy who can create offense for himself or others. :nonono:

We should prepare ourselves for more offensive droughts when Wall and Beal are on the bench.

NatP4 · Post #226 » by **NatP4** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 2:57 am

Sato/Mac/Oubre/Scott/Mahinmi is a good bench, Meeks is a 40% shooter and those guys always make a big impact on our team, Frazier is better than both Burke and Jennings, the addition of Mike Scott means Jason smith won't play PF which is awesome. Mahinmi is due for a healthy season.

The bench will be a strength if Brooks plays the right guys, plain and simple. Frazier-Meeks-Oubre-Scott-Mahinmi would be a nightmare. Hell if Mac isn't ready, they can run a lineup of Sato, Meeks, Oubre, Scott, Mahinmi where the main offensive approach is pick and roll with spacing and running Meeks around screens. The bench won't be as bad as last season.

keynote · Post #227 » by **keynote** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 4:11 am

NatP4 wrote:The bench will be a strength if Brooks plays the right guys, plain and simple. Frazier-Meeks-Oubre-Scott-Mahinmi would be a nightmare. Hell if Mac isn't ready, they can run a lineup of Sato, Meeks, Oubre, Scott, Mahinmi where the main offensive approach is pick and roll with spacing and running Meeks around screens. The bench won't be as bad as last season.

The bench won't be the festering eyesore it was last season, in large part because Frazier is an NBA player, whereas Burke isn't. If Mahinmi stays healthy, it might be an effective defensive unit. But it still won't be a good bench, because we can't score.

How can Frazier run a pick and roll if he can't shoot or finish well? Mahinmi is no Anthony Davis (to put it mildly). As for Meeks-if-healthy: he's a fine spot-up shooter. And, as far as I'm aware...that's it. The ability to rub off screens and consistently get enough separation to shoot off of a curl is an elite offensive skill that, frankly, not many players have. Porter's not bad at it, but he's also 6'9". You need height and a quick release to successfully pull this off in the NBA. Kyle Korver is 6'7". Klay is 6'7". Two recent kings of using off-the-ball movement to create shooting opportunities -- Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton -- were each 6'7". Meeks is 6'4". I love Beal (6'5"), but look at how often he gets bottled up off the ball when trying to come off screens.

Shorter shooters like Meeks (and Beal...and Redick) need to use their handle and athleticism to create space. Otherwise, a playmaker has to create space for them. Beal has worked on his handle, and can now create space for himself. Redick has worked hard on his game, but he's still mostly a spot-up guy who needs a playmaker. I'd put Meeks in that category as well.

queridiculo · Post #228 » by **queridiculo** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 11:00 am

Offseason delusions taking a hold again I see.

I don't see how Ernies bench 3.0 is any better than the festering black hole that our GM for life created last year or the year before that.

A couple of retreads that were bad to decent before their injuries aren't going to transform into productive bench guys out of thin air just because we need them to and what makes anybody think that Frazier is going to be any better than Maynor or Burke?

The fact that we're talking about Crawford should tell you how the dire the situation is. At this rate I'd rather have the other Crawford.

Kanyewest · Post #229 » by **Kanyewest** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:35 pm

Alex Caruso had a nice game.

https://streamable.com/lef2v

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19959536/nba-lonzo-ball-absence-opens-opportunity-alex-caruso

80sballboy · Post #230 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:05 pm

Half of these guys are restricted
http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19954840/nba-free-agent-rankings-kevin-pelton-best-available-players

TGW · Post #231 » by **TGW** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:21 pm

Frazier sucks.

80sballboy · Post #232 » by **80sballboy** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:00 pm

David Nwaba is available from the Lakers after being cut. At 6-4, he has a 7-0 wingspan and is a very good defender. I know we don't need another shooting guard with Meeks, Mac, Sato, Beal, etc, but he is intriguing. He averaged 1.1 blocks per game in the D-League.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-los-angeles-lakers-signing-david-nwaba-to-two-year-deal/

closg00 · Post #233 » by **closg00** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:05 pm

TGW wrote:Frazier sucks.

We should not be expecting much from him other than not sucking as-badly as Burke.

DoItALL9 · Post #234 » by **DoItALL9** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:41 pm

What're your thoughts on David Lee, Monta Ellis, &or Josh Smith being signed at veteran minimum contracts to help with bench scoring? The Wizards starting lineup played entirely too much last year and nothing drastic has been done so far to address that concern for the coming season. They're all pretty desperate I'd assume and could be bought out or released if things didn't pan out.

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Post #235 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:50 pm

Bump for merge, and the Keef injury.

DoItALL9 wrote:What're your thoughts on David Lee, Monta Ellis, &or Josh Smith being signed at veteran minimum contracts to help with bench scoring? The Wizards starting lineup played entirely too much last year and nothing drastic has been done so far to address that concern for the coming season. They're all pretty desperate I'd assume and could be bought out or released if things didn't pan out.

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I've wanted David Lee for a while, although I wonder if he might be done at this point. I'd still bring him in for a look if he's willing. Just say no to JSmoove, tho. :nonono:

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #236 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:42 am

DoItALL9 wrote:What're your thoughts on David Lee, Monta Ellis, &or Josh Smith being signed at veteran minimum contracts to help with bench scoring? The Wizards starting lineup played entirely too much last year and nothing drastic has been done so far to address that concern for the coming season. They're all pretty desperate I'd assume and could be bought out or released if things didn't pan out.

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No no yes.

Josh Smith could help. Particularly with Markieff Morris missing some time.

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Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #237 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:45 am

LyricalRico wrote:Bump for merge, and the Keef injury.

DoItALL9 wrote:What're your thoughts on David Lee, Monta Ellis, &or Josh Smith being signed at veteran minimum contracts to help with bench scoring? The Wizards starting lineup played entirely too much last year and nothing drastic has been done so far to address that concern for the coming season. They're all pretty desperate I'd assume and could be bought out or released if things didn't pan out.

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I've wanted David Lee for a while, although I wonder if he might be done at this point. I'd still bring him in for a look if he's willing. Just say no to JSmoove, tho.

David Lee?

He came out of Chaminade High School in St Louis about 20 years ago. Okay about 15 years ago.

He does not play defense.

I still remember Bogdanovic. Yuk. Wasted draft pick. If David Lee played well, the Warriors would have him still. Pass.

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payitforward · Post #238 » by **payitforward** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:20 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Bump for merge, and the Keef injury.

DoItALL9 wrote:What're your thoughts on David Lee, Monta Ellis, &or Josh Smith being signed at veteran minimum contracts to help with bench scoring? The Wizards starting lineup played entirely too much last year and nothing drastic has been done so far to address that concern for the coming season. They're all pretty desperate I'd assume and could be bought out or released if things didn't pan out.

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I've wanted David Lee for a while, although I wonder if he might be done at this point. I'd still bring him in for a look if he's willing. Just say no to JSmoove, tho.

David Lee?

He came out of Chaminade High School in St Louis about 20 years ago. Okay about 15 years ago.

He does not play defense.

I still remember Bogdanovic. Yuk. Wasted draft pick. If David Lee played well, the Warriors would have him still. Pass.

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(I owe this to Rico -- he'll be the only one to know why....)

David Lee played 1500 minutes for San Antonio last year, & he was terrific. He would immediately be a zillion times better than any 4 on this team. Not just this year but in I don't know how long!

80sballboy · Post #239 » by **80sballboy** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:24 am

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html

David Lee hasn't played more than 18.7 minutes per game since the 2013-14 season when he just turned 30. He's 34 and remember scouting him in Orlando in HS for Rivals and was impressed at him being ambidextrous and pretty athletic. Not against picking him up as a role player towards the end of his career as long as he brings his girlfriend (assuming they are still together). Look that one up

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Post #240 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:33 pm

80sballboy wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html

David Lee hasn't played more than 18.7 minutes per game since the 2013-14 season when he just turned 30. He's 34 and remember scouting him in Orlando in HS for Rivals and was impressed at him being ambidextrous and pretty athletic. Not against picking him up as a role player towards the end of his career as long as he brings his girlfriend (assuming they are still together). Look that one up .

I'll take even just 18.6 minutes a game if he can put up the numbers he put up the last couple of years. And the thing about him that nobody talks about - he's always been a great passer. That was his best skill in college, imo.