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GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM)

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Re: GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#241 » by nate33 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:18 pm

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mhd wrote:HaHa. I agree. He's a complete defensive liability out there. Play Sato with Beal. At least we'll improve immeasurably on defense. Beal can handle the ball handling duties, and we'll get more athletic for sure out there.

After the 6 minute mark, sub out Beal & Morris, and put in Meeks & Smith (who can't create shots on their own and are dependent on Wall). Take out Porter at 9, put in Oubre. Take out Meeks & Smith (or play Smith at Center in certain matchups) and put in Morris & Beal to start the 2nd.


When Morris gets back, I'd like the bench rotation to be:

PG: Sato
SG: Beal
SF: Oubre
PF: Morris
C: Mahinmi/Smith


agree with half of this, play Sato with Beal, staggers a starter, solves ball handling issue, gives 2nd unit a better offensive gameplan than Mike Smith post ups. I would do it like this though:

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Otto Oubre
Morris Scott
Gortat Mahinmi

I like this. Though I'd probably squeeze Scott out of the lineup to make more room for Oubre. So the rotation goes something like this:

0-6 min: Wall - Beal - Porter - Morris - Gortat
6-9 min: Wall - Meeks - Oubre - Porter - Gortat
9-12 min: Wall - Meeks - Oubre - Morris - Mahinmi
12-15 min: Sato - Beal - Oubre - Morris - Mahinmi
15-18 min: Sato - Beal - Porter - Morris - Mahinmi
18-24 min: Wall - Beal - Oubre - Porter - Gortat

At all times, we have either Wall in the game, or Beal + Morris. We also close out the games with our death lineup. That's 36 minutes for Wall, Beal and Porter; 30 minutes for Morris, Oubre and Gortat; 18 minutes for Mahinmi; and 12 minutes for Sato and Meeks. It's more of a playoff rotation though. I don't know if we want to have our big three average 36 minutes a game all season long.
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Re: GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#242 » by NatP4 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:02 pm

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NatP4 wrote:
mhd wrote:HaHa. I agree. He's a complete defensive liability out there. Play Sato with Beal. At least we'll improve immeasurably on defense. Beal can handle the ball handling duties, and we'll get more athletic for sure out there.

After the 6 minute mark, sub out Beal & Morris, and put in Meeks & Smith (who can't create shots on their own and are dependent on Wall). Take out Porter at 9, put in Oubre. Take out Meeks & Smith (or play Smith at Center in certain matchups) and put in Morris & Beal to start the 2nd.


When Morris gets back, I'd like the bench rotation to be:

PG: Sato
SG: Beal
SF: Oubre
PF: Morris
C: Mahinmi/Smith


agree with half of this, play Sato with Beal, staggers a starter, solves ball handling issue, gives 2nd unit a better offensive gameplan than Mike Smith post ups. I would do it like this though:

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Otto Oubre
Morris Scott
Gortat Mahinmi

I like this. Though I'd probably squeeze Scott out of the lineup to make more room for Oubre. So the rotation goes something like this:

0-6 min: Wall - Beal - Porter - Morris - Gortat
6-9 min: Wall - Meeks - Oubre - Porter - Gortat
9-12 min: Wall - Meeks - Oubre - Morris - Mahinmi
12-15 min: Sato - Beal - Oubre - Morris - Mahinmi
15-18 min: Sato - Beal - Porter - Morris - Mahinmi
18-24 min: Wall - Beal - Oubre - Porter - Gortat

At all times, we have either Wall in the game, or Beal + Morris. We also close out the games with our death lineup. That's 36 minutes for Wall, Beal and Porter; 30 minutes for Morris, Oubre and Gortat; 18 minutes for Mahinmi; and 12 minutes for Sato and Meeks. It's more of a playoff rotation though. I don't know if we want to have our big three average 36 minutes a game all season long.


Agree with this 100% basically squeeze Scott out when you use the small ball lineup and play Oubre starters minutes. Seems like the small ball lineup should be a regular fixture in regular season games but a 9 man rotation might only be a realistic Scott Brooks option in the playoffs, unfortunately
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Re: GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#243 » by payitforward » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:10 pm

That's 2952 minutes for Wall, Beal & Porter -- way too much. Only 984 minutes for Meeks -- way too little.

Also too many minutes for Gortat -- I'd love to keep him just over 2000. Mahinmi needs to play more. & too many minutes for Morris.

Of course, this is a model & no more. Doesn't have to be exact, just give an idea. The real idea it conveys is that we have only 1 young player worth developing: Oubre. I.e. this model suffices to condemn the FO.
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Re: RE: Re: GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#244 » by Tricky_Kid » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:27 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
mhd wrote:HaHa. I agree. He's a complete defensive liability out there. Play Sato with Beal. At least we'll improve immeasurably on defense. Beal can handle the ball handling duties, and we'll get more athletic for sure out there.

After the 6 minute mark, sub out Beal & Morris, and put in Meeks & Smith (who can't create shots on their own and are dependent on Wall). Take out Porter at 9, put in Oubre. Take out Meeks & Smith (or play Smith at Center in certain matchups) and put in Morris & Beal to start the 2nd.


When Morris gets back, I'd like the bench rotation to be:

PG: Sato
SG: Beal
SF: Oubre
PF: Morris
C: Mahinmi/Smith


agree with half of this, play Sato with Beal, staggers a starter, solves ball handling issue, gives 2nd unit a better offensive gameplan than Mike Smith post ups. I would do it like this though:

Wall Sato
Beal Meeks
Otto Oubre
Morris Scott
Gortat Mahinmi

I like this. Though I'd probably squeeze Scott out of the lineup to make more room for Oubre. So the rotation goes something like this:

0-6 min: Wall - Beal - Porter - Morris - Gortat
6-9 min: Wall - Meeks - Oubre - Porter - Gortat
9-12 min: Wall - Meeks - Oubre - Morris - Mahinmi
12-15 min: Sato - Beal - Oubre - Morris - Mahinmi
15-18 min: Sato - Beal - Porter - Morris - Mahinmi
18-24 min: Wall - Beal - Oubre - Porter - Gortat

At all times, we have either Wall in the game, or Beal + Morris. We also close out the games with our death lineup. That's 36 minutes for Wall, Beal and Porter; 30 minutes for Morris, Oubre and Gortat; 18 minutes for Mahinmi; and 12 minutes for Sato and Meeks. It's more of a playoff rotation though. I don't know if we want to have our big three average 36 minutes a game all season long.

Scott is quite good player with basketball IQ i dunno why U are so low on him. He needs to play.
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Re: GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#245 » by nate33 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:02 pm

payitforward wrote:That's 2952 minutes for Wall, Beal & Porter -- way too much. Only 984 minutes for Meeks -- way too little.

Also too many minutes for Gortat -- I'd love to keep him just over 2000. Mahinmi needs to play more. & too many minutes for Morris.

Of course, this is a model & no more. Doesn't have to be exact, just give an idea. The real idea it conveys is that we have only 1 young player worth developing: Oubre. I.e. this model suffices to condemn the FO.

Yes. It's an ideal rotation when everyone is healthy and there's no foul trouble or 4th quarter blowouts. In general, any deviations from that ideal rotation will serve to reduce the starters' minutes and increased the bench minutes, giving us the total minutes numbers more in line with what you are talking about (i.e. less for Wall, Beal, Porter and Gortat, and more for Meeks and Mahinmi.)

I'd also be open to giving Scott 3 or 4 of Porter's minutes in the first half to trim Porter's total down to 33 or so.

And if Gortat starts to show fatigue, we could easily give Mahinmi a few more of his minutes so that Gortat plays 25-27 or so and Mahinmi plays 21-23.
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Post#246 » by nate33 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:04 pm

Tricky_Kid wrote:Scott is quite good player with basketball IQ i dunno why U are so low on him. He needs to play.

It's not that I'm low on him. I like him too. I just don't like him more than Porter, Oubre or Morris. And if you play Porter, Oubre and Morris as much minutes as they can handle, it doesn't leave any for Scott.
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Re: GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#247 » by BearlyBallin » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:57 pm

FAH1223 wrote:[b]YOUR Washington Bullets ARE 1-0!


And FAH1223 is 2-0 as GT starter
Man you're undefeated!
Get this one in Denver and I think you'll get some consideration in the MVP discussion (Most Valuable Poster in October) :nod:

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Re: GT #2: Pistons @ Wizards 7 PM (CSN/1500 AM) 

Post#248 » by CobraCommander » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:28 pm

trast66 wrote:Mahinmi is hard to get on the court in small ball era, he is injury prone, and in the 2nd year of an untradeable 4 year 64M contract. He does look like he is trying, speaks fluent French, and seems to be a fine young man.



Is 64 mil really that bad now that you have a Hardaway deal out there?

It does look like he is trying- i wonder if he actually worked on his game this offseason or if he just stayed in shape.

Two things simply baffles my mind!

1. How marginal NBA players dont improve or modify thier game in the offseason while some players like JWall/Otto and Beal come back every year a little better...but cats like Mahinmi have a LOT more to work on...but he added nothing? What did he work on...

2. How Cams family and friends not pulling an intervention on him? Something is going on with this dude and yall all acting like yall not seeing a cry for help based on these outfits. Someone needs to speak truth into his life - (i know its off topic)

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