Political Roundtable Part XV

[stilldropin20]

Here is the problem with the always trying to equate both sides.

Why would anyone try to equate - you compare and contrast. And you should do so at the local, the state and the federal level. And you should do it candidate by candidate.

When you do that you see the failings of both parties with respect to their platforms/policies, implementations and logistics.

When you don't do that - then you can never see the places where your party (R or D) needs to improve. And that allows the various lobbying groups to continue to sway legislation. And that is where we have come with our tribalistic machinations.

If most Rs looked at Trump as Trump and not as an R president, don't you think they would have a problem with their president?

Introspection and critically analyzing candidates at all levels is important, but not to the point of self flagellation. Claiming that the DNC rigged the primary without proof only serves to further divide the party and gives the right wing great talking points for the next couple of elections. It alienates the voters of a party that has poor turnout in anything outside of general elections.

At this point it's pretty clear what both parties stand for, but they are both polar opposites. From my perspective if Democratic voters want to advance their agendas then letting Republicans win because you may disagree with the administrators of the party works against everything youre trying to achieve.

As for the Republicans and Trump. Well I know you won't like me to bring it up, but the reason Trump won is that he represents what the Republican voters want. Whether consciously or subconsciously he represents their values. The base likes him because he panders to their identity and the establishment support him because despite his populous lies, they know that he'll pass their policies. I know never Trumpers exist but how many of them are out there?

can you, without making things up, without even stretching the truth, without using personality quirks and other things like that...can you tell me what exactly is wrong with trump's policies? just bullet points. quick and short. no stretching the truth. no opinions. just facts. Just policy.

[dckingsfan]

Introspection and critically analyzing candidates at all levels is important, but not to the point of self flagellation.

So, never vote for someone that isn't a D - regardless. You lost me here - especially on the local level.

Claiming that the DNC rigged the primary without proof only serves to further divide the party and gives the right wing great talking points for the next couple of elections. It alienates the voters of a party that has poor turnout in anything outside of general elections.

So - you just don't talk about it? How do you get it right then? How do you drive the D establishment to get their act together?

At this point it's pretty clear what both parties stand for, but they are both polar opposites. From my perspective if Democratic voters want to advance their agendas then letting Republicans win because you may disagree with the administrators of the party works against everything youre trying to achieve.

See comment above - this is essentially the same argument.

As for the Republicans and Trump. Well I know you won't like me to bring it up, but the reason Trump won is that he represents what the Republican voters want.

And here we disagree. Some Rs want that - and I would venture to say that it is a minority of their party. I would say most Rs are disappointed with the Trump sans the blow it up Rs. But the tribalism in the R party had some vote for him regardless.

Whether consciously or subconsciously he represents their values. The base likes him because he panders to their identity and the establishment support him because despite his populous lies, they know that he'll pass their policies. I know never Trumpers exist but how many of them are out there?

Or - he represents some of their values. And there were a lot in the never Trump camp that voted for him - they get to reap what they sow. A terrible president and the destruction of their party.

Now, the Ds have a great chance to move back into power - but damn, they need to do it the right way or they will be yo-yoed right back out.

[montestewart]

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