GT #31: Pelicans @ Wizards 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM) [12/19/17]

[dcstanley]

I know this team has been beyond frustrating to watch but, to their credit, it has been refreshing to see that they can remain competitive despite sustaining injuries to starters. The team remained 500 with Wall out and just picked up a convincing win without Otto.

[Tricky_Kid]

Our bench is legit just coaching seems to be not good

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I don't know if trading Porter for Cousins would help us or not, but I'm pretty certain that it would help New Orleans a great deal. Porter would be the perfect complimentary forward to Davis. Davis would end up getting more shots, which is a good thing, and Porter would contribute with his versatility and insane efficiency.

As much as I hate to say it, it probably would help us if for no other reason than our current starting front court is a joke. Oubre does a OK job of replacing Porter as a starter even if he isn't nearly as good. With that said I'd rather give up Beal in a trade for Cousins.

Porter, Keif/Gortat, Scott, and a 1st.

How anybody can watch Cousins play & still want to trade for him is beyond me.

He had a good not great night offensively, but he played no defense at all. Gortat went 5-7 & had 14 rebounds, 4 on the offensive end, in 30 minutes. There were at least a couple of times when he scored before Cousins had even made it down court.

[Tricky_Kid]

I don't know if trading Porter for Cousins would help us or not, but I'm pretty certain that it would help New Orleans a great deal. Porter would be the perfect complimentary forward to Davis. Davis would end up getting more shots, which is a good thing, and Porter would contribute with his versatility and insane efficiency.

As much as I hate to say it, it probably would help us if for no other reason than our current starting front court is a joke. Oubre does a OK job of replacing Porter as a starter even if he isn't nearly as good. With that said I'd rather give up Beal in a trade for Cousins.

Porter, Keif/Gortat, Scott, and a 1st.

How anybody can watch Cousins play & still want to trade for him is beyond me.

He had a good not great night offensively, but he played no defense at all. Gortat went 5-7 & had 14 rebounds, 4 on the offensive end, in 30 minutes. There were at least a couple of times when he scored before Cousins had even made it down court.

I think PIF those people are judging his value watching the boxscores not actual play. When You look at stats it looks sexy and You would think this guy is a monster but watching his lazy D when he was destroyed by pick and roll plays, taking bad shots You start to wonder he isn't worth that much. Add to that his behaviour issues - ejections, techs, fights and argues with coach (Karl). I would stay pass on him.

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[Ruzious]

I don't know if trading Porter for Cousins would help us or not, but I'm pretty certain that it would help New Orleans a great deal. Porter would be the perfect complimentary forward to Davis. Davis would end up getting more shots, which is a good thing, and Porter would contribute with his versatility and insane efficiency.

As much as I hate to say it, it probably would help us if for no other reason than our current starting front court is a joke. Oubre does a OK job of replacing Porter as a starter even if he isn't nearly as good. With that said I'd rather give up Beal in a trade for Cousins.

Porter, Keif/Gortat, Scott, and a 1st.

How anybody can watch Cousins play & still want to trade for him is beyond me.

He had a good not great night offensively, but he played no defense at all. Gortat went 5-7 & had 14 rebounds, 4 on the offensive end, in 30 minutes. There were at least a couple of times when he scored before Cousins had even made it down court.

And Cousins looked exhausted. Gortat out-worked him by a wide margin. Gotta wonder if Cousins is keeping himself in shape.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't know if trading Porter for Cousins would help us or not, but I'm pretty certain that it would help New Orleans a great deal. Porter would be the perfect complimentary forward to Davis. Davis would end up getting more shots, which is a good thing, and Porter would contribute with his versatility and insane efficiency.

As much as I hate to say it, it probably would help us if for no other reason than our current starting front court is a joke. Oubre does a OK job of replacing Porter as a starter even if he isn't nearly as good. With that said I'd rather give up Beal in a trade for Cousins.

Porter, Keif/Gortat, Scott, and a 1st.

How anybody can watch Cousins play & still want to trade for him is beyond me.

He had a good not great night offensively, but he played no defense at all. Gortat went 5-7 & had 14 rebounds, 4 on the offensive end, in 30 minutes. There were at least a couple of times when he scored before Cousins had even made it down court.

Payitforward and TGW: Gortat ran rings around Cousins last night. Gortat also successfully defended him in the post several times. On top of that Gortat had a lot more rebounds.

DeMarcus Cousins was the epitome of a bad teammate yesterday. He played with low energy as evidenced by his failure to get back about 6 times. He played sporadically and he played selfishly. Boogie took a lot of shots once Gortat scored on him.

It was just one game but a microcosm of things that people have been saying about him all along.

Kara Lawson and Steve Buckhantz gave a narrative that you are recalling. The game plan was to take advantage of Boogie In transition. They accentuated his deficiencies as a player.

On the on the other hand Gortat calls Davis with Cousins the best frontcourt in the league. Cousins is an Olympian and an All-Star and it's not a damn thing y'all can tell me to dissuade me from believing he is a very good basketball player.

The 40/20 games the NBA players of the week and what others have said make it so.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

As much as I hate to say it, it probably would help us if for no other reason than our current starting front court is a joke. Oubre does a OK job of replacing Porter as a starter even if he isn't nearly as good. With that said I'd rather give up Beal in a trade for Cousins.

Porter, Keif/Gortat, Scott, and a 1st.

How anybody can watch Cousins play & still want to trade for him is beyond me.

He had a good not great night offensively, but he played no defense at all. Gortat went 5-7 & had 14 rebounds, 4 on the offensive end, in 30 minutes. There were at least a couple of times when he scored before Cousins had even made it down court.

I think PIF those people are judging his value watching the boxscores not actual play. When You look at stats it looks sexy and You would think this guy is a monster but watching his lazy D when he was destroyed by pick and roll plays, taking bad shots You start to wonder he isn't worth that much. Add to that his behaviour issues - ejections, techs, fights and argues with coach (Karl). I would stay pass on him.

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All valid points.

I say remember Andrew Bynum? At his best he was a member of a Laker championship team. He had plenty of flaws including being a bit of a jackass. Cousins can be a great complimentary player.

However, there needs to be a lot of Veteran leadership and a strong coach to encourage him to be a team player who hustles and gives his best positive energy.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

As much as I hate to say it, it probably would help us if for no other reason than our current starting front court is a joke. Oubre does a OK job of replacing Porter as a starter even if he isn't nearly as good. With that said I'd rather give up Beal in a trade for Cousins.

Porter, Keif/Gortat, Scott, and a 1st.

How anybody can watch Cousins play & still want to trade for him is beyond me.

He had a good not great night offensively, but he played no defense at all. Gortat went 5-7 & had 14 rebounds, 4 on the offensive end, in 30 minutes. There were at least a couple of times when he scored before Cousins had even made it down court.

And Cousins looked exhausted. Gortat out-worked him by a wide margin. Gotta wonder if Cousins is keeping himself in shape.

That is my observation as well. At one point cousins had lost quite a bit of weight. He improved statistically and his body condition each year for about the first four or five years. Yesterday I noticed he does not look as cut up as he did in the past. Demarcus looks about 10 lbs heavier than before.



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Payitforward and TGW: Gortat ran rings around Cousins last night. Gortat also successfully defended him in the post several times. On top of that Gortat had a lot more rebounds.

DeMarcus Cousins was the epitome of a bad teammate yesterday. He played with low energy as evidenced by his failure to get back about 6 times. He played sporadically and he played selfishly. Boogie took a lot of shots once Gortat scored on him.

It was just one game but a microcosm of things that people have been saying about him all along.

Kara Lawson and Steve Buckhantz gave a narrative that you are recalling. The game plan was to take advantage of Boogie In transition. They accentuated his deficiencies as a player.

On the on the other hand Gortat calls Davis with Cousins the best frontcourt in the league. Cousins is an Olympian and an All-Star and it's not a damn thing y'all can tell me to dissuade me from believing he is a very good basketball player.

The 40/20 games the NBA players of the week and what others have said make it so.

Because of his enormous talent, & despite his poor habits as a player, Cousins is a well above average Center on his career. You combine him with Anthony Davis, & of course they are, as Gortat said, a formidable pair.

There's nothing I want to tell you to dissuade you from believing whatever you want to believe about Cousins, CCJ. You watched the game. You saw him.

How many games would you have to watch in order for the fact that he was named an all star & was on the Olympic team to fade in comparison of the actual evidence of your eyes as you watch him play the game? If you watched his next ten games, & that was more or less how he played -- would 10 more games in a row do it? If he had one really good one among the 10 would that make the other 9 mean something different?

The guy you saw last night -- that was DeMarcus Cousins. That's how he played at Sac'to; that's how he plays at NO. Bring him here, & that's how he'll play here. Because that's how he plays.

Acquiring guys b/c you think they'll play different for you than they did for someone else (& another someone else) is a fool's game. Time to stop thinking about DeMarcus Cousins.

[queridiculo]

Kara Lawson and Steve Buckhantz gave a narrative that you are recalling. The game plan was to take advantage of Boogie In transition. They accentuated his deficiencies as a player.

Man, you're really selling people short if you're implying that they can't see what's right in front of their face.

Cousins plays lazy and disinterested on defense, I don't need to see Lawson breaking down a play to take notice.

It's not an aberration, it's not one or two games in isolation, that's the kind of effort (or lack thereof) that he's consistently shown in his 8 years as a pro.

If you put Gortat's hustle and commitment to fitness into Cousin's body you'd probably get a player that lives up to his reputation, but as it stands Cousins is a career underachiever, no amount of excuse making is going to change that.

Food for thought, are those head-to-heads the numbers of a guy that's supposed to be among the best of what this league has to offer at the position?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Payitforward and TGW: Gortat ran rings around Cousins last night. Gortat also successfully defended him in the post several times. On top of that Gortat had a lot more rebounds.

DeMarcus Cousins was the epitome of a bad teammate yesterday. He played with low energy as evidenced by his failure to get back about 6 times. He played sporadically and he played selfishly. Boogie took a lot of shots once Gortat scored on him.

It was just one game but a microcosm of things that people have been saying about him all along.

Kara Lawson and Steve Buckhantz gave a narrative that you are recalling. The game plan was to take advantage of Boogie In transition. They accentuated his deficiencies as a player.

On the on the other hand Gortat calls Davis with Cousins the best frontcourt in the league. Cousins is an Olympian and an All-Star and it's not a damn thing y'all can tell me to dissuade me from believing he is a very good basketball player.

The 40/20 games the NBA players of the week and what others have said make it so.

Because of his enormous talent, & despite his poor habits as a player, Cousins is a well above average Center on his career. You combine him with Anthony Davis, & of course they are, as Gortat said, a formidable pair.

There's nothing I want to tell you to dissuade you from believing whatever you want to believe about Cousins, CCJ. You watched the game. You saw him.

How many games would you have to watch in order for the fact that he was named an all star & was on the Olympic team to fade in comparison of the actual evidence of your eyes as you watch him play the game? If you watched his next ten games, & that was more or less how he played -- would 10 more games in a row do it? If he had one really good one among the 10 would that make the other 9 mean something different?

The guy you saw last night -- that was DeMarcus Cousins. That's how he played at Sac'to; that's how he plays at NO. Bring him here, & that's how he'll play here. Because that's how he plays.

Acquiring guys b/c you think they'll play different for you than they did for someone else (& another someone else) is a fool's game. Time to stop thinking about DeMarcus Cousins.

Noted.

It's not so much that I think he will play different. It's that I think there are different players on this team who will maintain their usages.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Kara Lawson and Steve Buckhantz gave a narrative that you are recalling. The game plan was to take advantage of Boogie In transition. They accentuated his deficiencies as a player.

Man, you're really selling people short if you're implying that they can't see what's right in front of their face.

Cousins plays lazy and disinterested on defense, I don't need to see Lawson breaking down a play to take notice.

It's not an aberration, it's not one or two games in isolation, that's the kind of effort (or lack thereof) that he's consistently shown in his 8 years as a pro.

If you put Gortat's hustle and commitment to fitness into Cousin's body you'd probably get a player that lives up to his reputation, but as it stands Cousins is a career underachiever, no amount of excuse making is going to change that.

Food for thought, are those head-to-heads the numbers of a guy that's supposed to be among the best of what this league has to offer at the position?

Gortat plays Drummond well.
Gortat cannot stand Cousins and he plays him very well.

I think there are certain guys that Gortat matches up with because they are not quick leapers. Other guys like DeAndre Jordan and Hassan Whiteside are too quick for Marcin Gortat. Marcin matches up against the strength guys well enough. The guys who do not move their feet he will run right past.

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[long suffrin' boulez fan]

FAH, you gonna get a game thread going?

You’re on a roll... plus, you can just plug in “Dante Cunnningham” as the Nets’ back up PF.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Off topic Q: who’d have a stronger b-ball game... Lincoln, Jefferson or Washington?

George Washington, without a doubt.

EDIT: Nevermind. I just remembered that Lincoln was a wrestler as a teenager. Definitely an athlete. I'll go with LIncoln.

How the hell did I miss this? Of course it's Lincoln. He's the best shot blocker there is.


...too soon?

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Off topic Q: who’d have a stronger b-ball game... Lincoln, Jefferson or Washington?

George Washington, without a doubt.

EDIT: Nevermind. I just remembered that Lincoln was a wrestler as a teenager. Definitely an athlete. I'll go with LIncoln.

How the hell did I miss this? Of course it's Lincoln. He's the best shot blocker there is.


...too soon?

Booooooooo!