GT#21 Wizards at New Orleans 8PM

[deneem4]

Yeah Kelly and Green and Morris find a way to get shots...but Otto - better shooter than all of them not getting shots...sounds about right in bizarro world.

To be honest, part of the reason Oubre, Morris and Green may be getting more open looks, particularly 3 pointers, is opposing teams are letting them shoot. If I was an opposing teams coach, I would not give Otto any daylight from the 3 point line. I would happily give Oubre, Morris and a lesser extent Green those shots.

i agree. Otto one of the most deadly shooters in the game. Just a terrible system he's in right now.

He's not a deadly shooter he's a great open shooter...golden state 3 is deadly shooters kyrie harden are deadly shooters lillard and kemba to an extent are deadly shooters...

Otto is a good look shooter...He's not taking dangerous shots he doesn't have incredible range and he can't pull up off the dribble...

I have guys like ingles (who's better) reddick korver who pretty much does have the same game as porter...He's has to do more than catch and shoot if we're going to be better... And by any means am I putting blame on him because wall beal and etc has to step it up too...but otto isn't making himself a factor

[dckingsfan]

Oubre has no problem getting shots up. I like Porter but i don't buy it's all Wall and Beal fault Otto is not getting touches.

Yeah Kelly and Green and Morris find a way to get shots...but Otto - better shooter than all of them not getting shots...sounds about right in bizarro world.

To be honest, part of the reason Oubre, Morris and Green may be getting more open looks, particularly 3 pointers, is opposing teams are letting them shoot. If I was an opposing teams coach, I would not give Otto any daylight from the 3 point line. I would happily give Oubre, Morris and a lesser extent Green those shots.

This! That would be my game plan - try to get Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up just as many 3s as you can, play way off the ball and dare them. Collectively they are shooting .288 even adjusted for the 3 that is just .432. The three of them shoot 11.75 threes per game.

I would also game plan to get them to shoot 15 collectively. And I would make it really hard (as hard as you can) to not let Beal, Porter and Satoransky shoot the three - make those three drive.

[DCZards]

He's not a deadly shooter he's a great open shooter...golden state 3 is deadly shooters kyrie harden are deadly shooters lillard and kemba to an extent are deadly shooters...

Otto is a good look shooter...He's not taking dangerous shots he doesn't have incredible range and he can't pull up off the dribble...

I have guys like ingles (who's better) reddick korver who pretty much does have the same game as porter...He's has to do more than catch and shoot if we're going to be better... And by any means am I putting blame on him because wall beal and etc has to step it up too...but otto isn't making himself a factor

Dead on!

Yes, Otto draws more defensive attention than poorer shooters like Oubre...but Oubre does a much better job of forcing the action, and doing things like getting to the rim off the dribble and finding openings in the D for three point shots. Some of it may simply be that KO is quicker and more athletic than OP.

[queridiculo]

Turned it off shortly after halftime, the most disheartening thing about those Wizards losses, Washington isn't competitive.

The Wizards are losing with an average margin of 14.3 points, practically a blowout in every loss.

Only 4 of the 13 Wizards losses were in single digits so far, and out of those one loss was by 9 against the Magic.

That's 9 losses by double digits, and the margin in those losses is a mind blowing 18.6 points.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Just now checking box scores and what not.

I'm a movie Staww!



U no I bullshyt but can't say NOTHING...

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I see that Washington is not into rebounding.

Otto Porter is hopefully sandbagging to a new team. What with acquiring veterans at PF and them guys on short deals the FAVOURITES (?) ....nah, Brooksy baby playin' da producteev playas.

What are career rebounding rates per player? They say boards shows EFFORT...

They no try haud?

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[nate33]

I missed the game. How'd we do?

[Eli Babak]

I watched the first half and that was enough. Terrible defense, missed open looks, Wall shooting way too many 3s, Porter not touching the ball...

Seems like our #52 pick in the 2017 draft had a double-double. Good for him!

[CobraCommander]

Yeah Kelly and Green and Morris find a way to get shots...but Otto - better shooter than all of them not getting shots...sounds about right in bizarro world.

To be honest, part of the reason Oubre, Morris and Green may be getting more open looks, particularly 3 pointers, is opposing teams are letting them shoot. If I was an opposing teams coach, I would not give Otto any daylight from the 3 point line. I would happily give Oubre, Morris and a lesser extent Green those shots.

This! That would be my game plan - try to get Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up just as many 3s as you can, play way off the ball and dare them. Collectively they are shooting .288 even adjusted for the 3 that is just .432. The three of them shoot 11.75 threes per game.

I would also game plan to get them to shoot 15 collectively. And I would make it really hard (as hard as you can) to not let Beal, Porter and Satoransky shoot the three - make those three drive.

Wait yall really trying to tell me people game planning Otto out of the system? In the regular season and that they LETTING the other guys shoot WIDE OPEN 3s? Ok....so i hear you...but in a 82 game season I dont know for certain players and coaches talk a little about a match up and then they play. Not much practice and not much film study going on...especially for a guy like Otto who is avg 12 points a game and is playing sporadically. Ottos lack of aggressiveness and lack of assertive attitude appears to the be the main thing holding him back. The league isnt going to stop what its doing and rotate around Otto. The Wiz dont have a game plan but if they did, I doubt it would be to GET OTTO shots. Its not like Otto is Kyle Korver and Klay where the league knows if you keep getting him shots he is going to win you games. The hyperbole sounding Otto is crazy right now. You are who you are and after ALLLL these years if Otto was something else wouldn’t we know it by now? I mean seriously yall making him out to be this disenfranchised allstar that if only someone gave him a chance he would blossom into the All NBA player he was destined to be....nah man...he is a Gump. Until Otto demands the ball...he is always gonna be the odd man out. Morris is avg more points than him this year...especially off the bench. IF you sat wall and beal...who would be our leading scorer? Otto? It would be Morris or Rivers or Dwight...Otto would be 3rd on this team without wall and beal.

[dckingsfan]

To be honest, part of the reason Oubre, Morris and Green may be getting more open looks, particularly 3 pointers, is opposing teams are letting them shoot. If I was an opposing teams coach, I would not give Otto any daylight from the 3 point line. I would happily give Oubre, Morris and a lesser extent Green those shots.

This! That would be my game plan - try to get Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up just as many 3s as you can, play way off the ball and dare them. Collectively they are shooting .288 even adjusted for the 3 that is just .432. The three of them shoot 11.75 threes per game.

I would also game plan to get them to shoot 15 collectively. And I would make it really hard (as hard as you can) to not let Beal, Porter and Satoransky shoot the three - make those three drive.

Wait yall really trying to tell me people game planning Otto out of the system? In the regular season and that they LETTING the other guys shoot WIDE OPEN 3s? Ok....so i hear you...but in a 82 game season I dont know for certain players and coaches talk a little about a match up and then they play. Not much practice and not much film study going on...especially for a guy like Otto who is avg 12 points a game and is playing sporadically. Ottos lack of aggressiveness and lack of assertive attitude appears to the be the main thing holding him back. The league isnt going to stop what its doing and rotate around Otto. The Wiz dont have a game plan but if they did, I doubt it would be to GET OTTO shots. Its not like Otto is Kyle Korver and Klay where the league knows if you keep getting him shots he is going to win you games. The hyperbole sounding Otto is crazy right now. You are who you are and after ALLLL these years if Otto was something else wouldn’t we know it by now? I mean seriously yall making him out to be this disenfranchised allstar that if only someone gave him a chance he would blossom into the All NBA player he was destined to be....nah man...he is a Gump. Until Otto demands the ball...he is always gonna be the odd man out. Morris is avg more points than him this year...especially off the bench. IF you sat wall and beal...who would be our leading scorer? Otto? It would be Morris or Rivers or Dwight...Otto would be 3rd on this team without wall and beal.

Interesting arguments all. But that wasn't the point I was making. I am saying - if you game planed around pushing Oubre, Green and Rivers to shoot the 3s on this team - you would win a lot of games. And our system seems to give those three the green light to shoot more 3s.

And if I could, I would want to limit the 3s from Beal, Porter and Satoransky.

Getting Otto more shots - I think that is a separate subject - and a valid one to have (is it the system, Wall/Beal or Otto's lack of aggression). But as an opposing coach, I wouldn't care. I would just want Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up 3s.

[CobraCommander]

This! That would be my game plan - try to get Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up just as many 3s as you can, play way off the ball and dare them. Collectively they are shooting .288 even adjusted for the 3 that is just .432. The three of them shoot 11.75 threes per game.

I would also game plan to get them to shoot 15 collectively. And I would make it really hard (as hard as you can) to not let Beal, Porter and Satoransky shoot the three - make those three drive.

Wait yall really trying to tell me people game planning Otto out of the system? In the regular season and that they LETTING the other guys shoot WIDE OPEN 3s? Ok....so i hear you...but in a 82 game season I dont know for certain players and coaches talk a little about a match up and then they play. Not much practice and not much film study going on...especially for a guy like Otto who is avg 12 points a game and is playing sporadically. Ottos lack of aggressiveness and lack of assertive attitude appears to the be the main thing holding him back. The league isnt going to stop what its doing and rotate around Otto. The Wiz dont have a game plan but if they did, I doubt it would be to GET OTTO shots. Its not like Otto is Kyle Korver and Klay where the league knows if you keep getting him shots he is going to win you games. The hyperbole sounding Otto is crazy right now. You are who you are and after ALLLL these years if Otto was something else wouldn’t we know it by now? I mean seriously yall making him out to be this disenfranchised allstar that if only someone gave him a chance he would blossom into the All NBA player he was destined to be....nah man...he is a Gump. Until Otto demands the ball...he is always gonna be the odd man out. Morris is avg more points than him this year...especially off the bench. IF you sat wall and beal...who would be our leading scorer? Otto? It would be Morris or Rivers or Dwight...Otto would be 3rd on this team without wall and beal.

Interesting arguments all. But that wasn't the point I was making. I am saying - if you game planed around pushing Oubre, Green and Rivers to shoot the 3s on this team - you would win a lot of games. And our system seems to give those three the green light to shoot more 3s.

And if I could, I would want to limit the 3s from Beal, Porter and Satoransky.

Getting Otto more shots - I think that is a separate subject - and a valid one to have (is it the system, Wall/Beal or Otto's lack of aggression). But as an opposing coach, I wouldn't care. I would just want Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up 3s.

Sorry- I misunderstood your points. I get them now. Thanks for clarifying.

I think all of the offense stuff we are all talking about is irrelevant. The wiz are a bad defensive team. I hear people say oh its because we take bad shots...or because wall and beal iso- wall and beal iso and shot 60% against Houston and we gave up HOW MANY POINTS... Brooks should be fired because of the defensive inability to stop a runny nose. Are are scoring enough points to win on most nights...but we are giving up 118 a game!?!?! That’s not on ANY one player. One player doesnt give up 118! I dont want to hear....”head of the sneak leads the defense” when we know thats not the case. This team lacks something defensive....the same way teams like Houston do

[dangermouse]

Turnovers was a massive problem and it wasnt just Wall. It was team-wide. Same with defending the 3pt line.

Rivers' 3pt jumper is about as pretty as a feminist of the year pageant. Seeing him kick one leg out on those shots, even wide open threes, is terrible. You can't expect to hit the shot if you're flailing one leg like that. Its no wonder he rarely even hits the ring.

Stick to drives and floaters off screens, the Tony Parker game.

[dckingsfan]

Wait yall really trying to tell me people game planning Otto out of the system? In the regular season and that they LETTING the other guys shoot WIDE OPEN 3s? Ok....so i hear you...but in a 82 game season I dont know for certain players and coaches talk a little about a match up and then they play. Not much practice and not much film study going on...especially for a guy like Otto who is avg 12 points a game and is playing sporadically. Ottos lack of aggressiveness and lack of assertive attitude appears to the be the main thing holding him back. The league isnt going to stop what its doing and rotate around Otto. The Wiz dont have a game plan but if they did, I doubt it would be to GET OTTO shots. Its not like Otto is Kyle Korver and Klay where the league knows if you keep getting him shots he is going to win you games. The hyperbole sounding Otto is crazy right now. You are who you are and after ALLLL these years if Otto was something else wouldn’t we know it by now? I mean seriously yall making him out to be this disenfranchised allstar that if only someone gave him a chance he would blossom into the All NBA player he was destined to be....nah man...he is a Gump. Until Otto demands the ball...he is always gonna be the odd man out. Morris is avg more points than him this year...especially off the bench. IF you sat wall and beal...who would be our leading scorer? Otto? It would be Morris or Rivers or Dwight...Otto would be 3rd on this team without wall and beal.

Interesting arguments all. But that wasn't the point I was making. I am saying - if you game planed around pushing Oubre, Green and Rivers to shoot the 3s on this team - you would win a lot of games. And our system seems to give those three the green light to shoot more 3s.

And if I could, I would want to limit the 3s from Beal, Porter and Satoransky.

Getting Otto more shots - I think that is a separate subject - and a valid one to have (is it the system, Wall/Beal or Otto's lack of aggression). But as an opposing coach, I wouldn't care. I would just want Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up 3s.

Sorry- I misunderstood your points. I get them now. Thanks for clarifying.

I think all of the offense stuff we are all talking about is irrelevant. The wiz are a bad defensive team. I hear people say oh its because we take bad shots...or because wall and beal iso- wall and beal iso and shot 60% against Houston and we gave up HOW MANY POINTS... Brooks should be fired because of the defensive inability to stop a runny nose. Are are scoring enough points to win on most nights...but we are giving up 118 a game!?!?! That’s not on ANY one player. One player doesnt give up 118! I dont want to hear....”head of the sneak leads the defense” when we know thats not the case. This team lacks something defensive....the same way teams like Houston do

You make a good point. We are a terrible defensive team. I think we are a bad offensive team as well.

But on the defensive end - I would scheme against Wall (later in the game when he is gassed) and Rivers (as soon as he came in the game).

If I am the coach (on the defensive side of the ball) - I wouldn't let Rivers see the floor. I wouldn't let Wall or Beal play more than 5 or 6 minute stints without giving him a break. I would bring Brown and Sato in as my backup guards knowing that they play hard and are capable on the defensive end.

And now that I know Howard is done - I would shorten my FC rotations as well with Mahimni/Bryant/Smith each playing short rotations and letting them know that their job is to protect the rim.

Oubre/Green/Morris the same at the PF position - short rotations - high energy.

But this is Brooks...

[payitforward]

I watched the first half and that was enough. Terrible defense, missed open looks, Wall shooting way too many 3s, Porter not touching the ball...

Seems like our #52 pick in the 2017 draft had a double-double. Good for him!

Frazier had a very good year with us in @800 minutes.

That's what we traded the pick for: 800 minutes.

[payitforward]

He's not a deadly shooter he's a great open shooter...golden state 3 is deadly shooters kyrie harden are deadly shooters lillard and kemba to an extent are deadly shooters...

Otto is a good look shooter...He's not taking dangerous shots he doesn't have incredible range and he can't pull up off the dribble...

I have guys like ingles (who's better) reddick korver who pretty much does have the same game as porter...He's has to do more than catch and shoot if we're going to be better... And by any means am I putting blame on him because wall beal and etc has to step it up too...but otto isn't making himself a factor

Dead on!

Yes, Otto draws more defensive attention than poorer shooters like Oubre...but Oubre does a much better job of forcing the action, and doing things like getting to the rim off the dribble and finding openings in the D for three point shots. Some of it may simply be that KO is quicker and more athletic than OP.

Oh absolutely! & the result is that all you have to do is play Oubre instead of Porter for 40 minutes, & you'll get 3.5 more points.

Which is good, right? Of course, you'll have to take 4.75 offensive possessions away from other players & give them to Oubre to get those 3.5 extra points....

Is that good? No, I guess not. Especially since you'll also have 1.5 offensive possessions to begin with, b/c Porter gets slightly more offensive boards, more steals, & turns it over less.

You also might not be benefitted by the almost 2 extra fouls Oubre commits in those 40 minutes, & you might miss the 1.5 more assists than Porter provides.

Next subject....

[owneroz]

To be honest, part of the reason Oubre, Morris and Green may be getting more open looks, particularly 3 pointers, is opposing teams are letting them shoot. If I was an opposing teams coach, I would not give Otto any daylight from the 3 point line. I would happily give Oubre, Morris and a lesser extent Green those shots.

This! That would be my game plan - try to get Oubre, Green and Rivers to jack up just as many 3s as you can, play way off the ball and dare them. Collectively they are shooting .288 even adjusted for the 3 that is just .432. The three of them shoot 11.75 threes per game.

I would also game plan to get them to shoot 15 collectively. And I would make it really hard (as hard as you can) to not let Beal, Porter and Satoransky shoot the three - make those three drive.

Wait yall really trying to tell me people game planning Otto out of the system? In the regular season and that they LETTING the other guys shoot WIDE OPEN 3s? Ok....so i hear you...but in a 82 game season I dont know for certain players and coaches talk a little about a match up and then they play. Not much practice and not much film study going on...especially for a guy like Otto who is avg 12 points a game and is playing sporadically. Ottos lack of aggressiveness and lack of assertive attitude appears to the be the main thing holding him back. The league isnt going to stop what its doing and rotate around Otto. The Wiz dont have a game plan but if they did, I doubt it would be to GET OTTO shots. Its not like Otto is Kyle Korver and Klay where the league knows if you keep getting him shots he is going to win you games. The hyperbole sounding Otto is crazy right now. You are who you are and after ALLLL these years if Otto was something else wouldn’t we know it by now? I mean seriously yall making him out to be this disenfranchised allstar that if only someone gave him a chance he would blossom into the All NBA player he was destined to be....nah man...he is a Gump. Until Otto demands the ball...he is always gonna be the odd man out. Morris is avg more points than him this year...especially off the bench. IF you sat wall and beal...who would be our leading scorer? Otto? It would be Morris or Rivers or Dwight...Otto would be 3rd on this team without wall and beal.

You can cut DH from that equation.


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[I_Like_Dirt]

Yes, Otto draws more defensive attention than poorer shooters like Oubre...but Oubre does a much better job of forcing the action, and doing things like getting to the rim off the dribble and finding openings in the D for three point shots. Some of it may simply be that KO is quicker and more athletic than OP.

The thing about Otto is he avoids contact like the plague. Just the hint of a possibility of contact and he moves the ball. He makes it relatively easy for opposing teams to get the ball out of his hands and into the hands of guys like Rivers, Kieff and Oubre. If he ever wants to be more than a utility player he needs to figure out how to betyer play through contact.