The Wizards Going Forward: 2019 and Beyond

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...I love Beals deep tool box, work ethic, and maturity... which is why he is overrated by many folks who think he is a superstar. I too wanted him to take the leap, but he appears to be a fringe All Star. If you can get a "Star" return, you take it and rebuild...

On the money!

It really appears that GMs around the league overrate Beal. Trade him before that changes.

[DCZards]

...I love Beals deep tool box, work ethic, and maturity... which is why he is overrated by many folks who think he is a superstar. I too wanted him to take the leap, but he appears to be a fringe All Star. If you can get a "Star" return, you take it and rebuild...

On the money!

It really appears that GMs around the league overrate Beal. Trade him before that changes.

PIF, a couple of years ago I think I recall you arguing that Paul George was overrated and that Porter was a better player. Do you still believe that?

Since then, it seems to me that George has only gotten better. Fortunately for Indy, they did very well in trading George. Oladipo is a star and Sabonis is a very good player as well.

Hopefully, if the Zards do trade Beal, it will be for a top flight young player (like a Oladipo) and/or a top 3-4 draft pick. I believe that BB, who is only 25 years old (about the same age that George was when he was traded), is far from his peak and only going to get better.

And, yes, despite what the #s might say, I think Beal continues to get better. Stats don't tell the whole story when it comes to Beal or any other player.

I say be careful what you root for when it comes to wanting to trade BB.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html#all_sim_thru

Beal is an above average SG. He's played 40 playoff games as a Wizard. I feel very confident that he's NOT a superstar. (Based on his playoff diminishing WS/40 and very consistent 17-18 PER; this kid's just better than average. PERIOD). He's NOT going to significantly improve. THAT SAID, he's solid enough to be a competent starter on a championship team.

I think the Wizards SUCK. I want Beal traded for his sake. I also think now is the best time to trade him because he's got a sterling reputation. I believe he's NOT AS GOOD AS PERCEIVED. He's not a great player. He's a very good shooter who's developed his dribble drive game nicely. Beal now plays BETTER WITHOUT Wall.

I hope he's traded because the Wizards can't get worse. They are a disgusting team.

Free Beal.

[nate33]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html#all_sim_thru

Beal is an above average SG. He's played 40 playoff games as a Wizard. I feel very confident that he's NOT a superstar. (Based on his playoff diminishing WS/40 and very consistent 17-18 PER; this kid's just better than average. PERIOD). He's NOT going to significantly improve. THAT SAID, he's solid enough to be a competent starter on a championship team.

I think the Wizards SUCK. I want Beal traded for his sake. I also think now is the best time to trade him because he's got a sterling reputation. I believe he's NOT AS GOOD AS PERCEIVED. He's not a great player. He's a very good shooter who's developed his dribble drive game nicely. Beal now plays BETTER WITHOUT Wall.

I hope he's traded because the Wizards can't get worse. They are a disgusting team.

Free Beal.

I take exception to the comment that Beal diminishes in the playoffs. Statistically, that is not true. Beal's PER and WS/48 have been better in the playoffs than in the regular season. This is actually remarkable because it's typical that most players decline somewhat in the playoffs because defenses play harder and game planning is better.

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         Reg Season    Playoffs
Year     PER   WS/48   PER  WS/48
2013-14  14.3  .076    17.0  .152
2014-15  14.0  .085    17.9  .140
2016-17  20.1  .152    18.0  .112
2017-18  18.4  .112    17.0  .078
Average  16.7  .106    17.6  .126

I also disagree with the statement that a 17-18 PER is just better than average. Shooting guards don't have the ball enough to generate big numbers in assists, and they aren't around the basket enough to generate big numbers in rebounds, so they typically have a lower PER. Among starting shooting guards, Beal ranks 2nd in PER this year, 5th last year, and 2nd the year before that.

Good shooting guards help their teams in a manner that doesn't always show up in box score summary stats by providing spacing and forcing the defense to focus on off the ball activity away from the basket. Beal is one of the very best in the league at boosting his teammates' TS% while he is on the floor.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html#all_sim_thru

Beal is an above average SG. He's played 40 playoff games as a Wizard. I feel very confident that he's NOT a superstar. (Based on his playoff diminishing WS/40 and very consistent 17-18 PER; this kid's just better than average. PERIOD). He's NOT going to significantly improve. THAT SAID, he's solid enough to be a competent starter on a championship team.

I think the Wizards SUCK. I want Beal traded for his sake. I also think now is the best time to trade him because he's got a sterling reputation. I believe he's NOT AS GOOD AS PERCEIVED. He's not a great player. He's a very good shooter who's developed his dribble drive game nicely. Beal now plays BETTER WITHOUT Wall.

I hope he's traded because the Wizards can't get worse. They are a disgusting team.

Free Beal.

I take exception to the comment that Beal diminishes in the playoffs. Statistically, that is not true. Beal's PER and WS/48 have been better in the playoffs than in the regular season. This is actually remarkable because it's typical that most players decline somewhat in the playoffs because defenses play harder and game planning is better.

Code: Select all

         Reg Season    Playoffs
Year     PER   WS/48   PER  WS/48
2013-14  14.3  .076    17.0  .152
2014-15  14.0  .085    17.9  .140
2016-17  20.1  .152    18.0  .112
2017-18  18.4  .112    17.0  .078
Average  16.7  .106    17.6  .126

I also disagree with the statement that a 17-18 PER is just better than average. Shooting guards don't have the ball enough to generate big numbers in assists, and they aren't around the basket enough to generate big numbers in rebounds, so they typically have a lower PER. Among starting shooting guards, Beal ranks 2nd in PER this year, 5th last year, and 2nd the year before that.

Good shooting guards help their teams in a manner that doesn't always show up in box score summary stats by providing spacing and forcing the defense to focus on off the ball activity away from the basket. Beal is one of the very best in the league at boosting his teammates' TS% while he is on the floor.

Guess what?

You are right. I am wrong.

I just looked at PER and WS/40 for Klay Thompson, Khris Middleton, Jimmy Butler, CJ McCollum...and to my great surprise 17-18 was higher than most. A couple peak years for superior, older Butler were in the 22 range but his average was 17. In playoffs.

Thompson has LOWER than Beal.

Nate33, I'm as wrong as can be on this. DCZards, my opinion about Beal based on what I THOUGHT I KNEW was an example of a little knowledge being a bad thing.

Bradley Beal is much steadier and much less polarizing than John Wall. I still do not think that he is a superstar ...but, I must be under rating Beal.

I stand by my opinion that the Wizards suck and I want Beal freed.

[nate33]

Guess what?

You are right. I am wrong.

I just looked at PER and WS/40 for Klay Thompson, Khris Middleton, Jimmy Butler, CJ McCollum...and to my great surprise 17-18 was higher than most. A couple peak years for superior, older Butter were in the 22 range but his average was 17. In playoffs.

Thompson has LOWER than Beal.

Nate33, I'm as wrong as can be on this. DCZards, my opinion about Beal based on what I THOUGHT I KNEW was an example of a little knowledge being a bad thing.

Bradley Beal is much steadier and much less polarizing than John Wall. I still do not think that he is a superstar ...but, I must be under rating Beal.

I stand by my opinion that the Wizards suck and I want Beal freed.

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FWIW, CCJ, I agree with you that Beal isn't a superstar either. He certainly isn't in the same tier as guys like Harden, Curry, Kawhi, Lebron, Durant, etc. He isn't going to win any MVPs in his career. But I do think he's a legit "star". I expect him to make several more All Star games in his career. I think he is a top 5 shooting guard overall and will stay in that echelon for another 5-7 years.

[DCZards]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html#all_sim_thru

Beal is an above average SG. He's played 40 playoff games as a Wizard. I feel very confident that he's NOT a superstar. (Based on his playoff diminishing WS/40 and very consistent 17-18 PER; this kid's just better than average. PERIOD). He's NOT going to significantly improve. THAT SAID, he's solid enough to be a competent starter on a championship team.

I think the Wizards SUCK. I want Beal traded for his sake. I also think now is the best time to trade him because he's got a sterling reputation. I believe he's NOT AS GOOD AS PERCEIVED. He's not a great player. He's a very good shooter who's developed his dribble drive game nicely. Beal now plays BETTER WITHOUT Wall.

I hope he's traded because the Wizards can't get worse. They are a disgusting team.

Free Beal.

ccj, I pretty much agree with everything you've written. Beal is not a superstar or great player. I don't think anyone here has ever said that he was. As you point out, at the minimum he's an above average NBA player.

I also don't think Beal will get "significantly" better...but I do believe he'll continue to get better. I would guess that most NBA players are better at ages 26-30 than they were at 23-25. BB seems to have the work ethic and desire to get better as evidenced that he adds a little to his game every year, most significantly his ability to get to the hoop and finish through contact.

BB is a one-time all-star and I expect him to be an all-star at least 5-6 more times before his career is over. I don't think that GMs necessarily overrate him. I'm sure they know everything about what Beal is and what he isn't that we on this board do. Actually, GMs probably know more about Beal as a player than we do. I think most GMs consider BB a young, above average SG with considerable upside and a good contract.

Sadly, I also agree that Beal might be better off on a better run team. But I still hope he's not traded.

[FAH1223]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bealbr01.html#all_sim_thru

Beal is an above average SG. He's played 40 playoff games as a Wizard. I feel very confident that he's NOT a superstar. (Based on his playoff diminishing WS/40 and very consistent 17-18 PER; this kid's just better than average. PERIOD). He's NOT going to significantly improve. THAT SAID, he's solid enough to be a competent starter on a championship team.

I think the Wizards SUCK. I want Beal traded for his sake. I also think now is the best time to trade him because he's got a sterling reputation. I believe he's NOT AS GOOD AS PERCEIVED. He's not a great player. He's a very good shooter who's developed his dribble drive game nicely. Beal now plays BETTER WITHOUT Wall.

I hope he's traded because the Wizards can't get worse. They are a disgusting team.

Free Beal.

ccj, I pretty much agree with everything you've written. Beal is not a superstar or great player. I don't think anyone here has ever said that he was. As you point out, at the minimum he's an above average NBA player.

I also don't think Beal will get "significantly" better...but I do believe he'll continue to get better. I would guess that most NBA players are better at ages 26-30 than they were at 23-25. BB seems to have the work ethic and desire to get better as evidenced that he adds a little to his game every year, most significantly his ability to get to the hoop and finish through contact.

BB is a one-time all-star and I expect him to be an all-star at least 5-6 more times before his career is over. I don't think that GMs necessarily overrate him. I'm sure they know everything about what Beal is and what he isn't that we on this board do. Actually, GMs probably know more about Beal as a player than we do. I think most GMs consider BB a young, above average SG with considerable upside and a good contract.

Sadly, I also agree that Beal might be better off on a better run team. But I still hope he's not traded.

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